The point of punishment is not to reduce crime. Revenge is the point. Im not saying you should make prisons harsher. Im saying if you want a societal revenge si

The point of punishment is not to reduce crime. Revenge is the point. Im not saying you should make prisons harsher. Im saying if you want a societal revenge site. Just admit and optimize for that. Putting that right next to "reform this person" just hurts both endeavors. Some people could really use removal from their environment and a fresh start where they get discipline and learn a way to be successful.(prison doesnt do this, and a one size fits all discipline approach causes problems too) Other people are just dangers to themselves and others. Mixing the two just damns the people who could be saved.