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I find it fascinating that there are people who don't want to take vaccines that are developed by leading pharmaceutical companies based on decades of mRNA rese

I find it fascinating that there are people who don't want to take vaccines that are developed by leading pharmaceutical companies based on decades of mRNA research because "its still not studied enough", but will happily consume a sheep dip inoculant that is still "under study" because Joe Rogan talked to one dude who hands it out to people.

cheaprentalyeti 5y ago
I guess for some strange reason the 2015 Nobel Prize in medicine was awarded to Satoshi Omera for... Sheep Dip? As near as I can tell there's a lot of common human medicines also used on animals and available at veterinary supply stores. Unfortunately in ivermectin's case this is being used in a propaganda campaign. Just to put things in perspective, the same people who helped launch the propaganda campaign against hydroxychloroquine also launched one against ACE Inhibitors[0], that's been since retracted, but still gets cited and used to make policy. A later, actual, study without fabricated data indicated that this was not only untrue, but suggests that the first fraudulent study was actually harmful. [1]. (And just as an aside... that the guys behind surgisphere have done all this _without being investigated further_ is to me one of those Sherlock Holmesian dogs-that-didn't-bark moments in this whole crisis). [0]: https://www.tctmd.com/news/retracted-over-fraud-concerns-surgisphere-acearb-study-still-gets-cited https://www.tctmd.com/news/retracted-over-fraud-concerns-sur... [1]: https://heart.bmj.com/content/106/19/1503 https://heart.bmj.com/content/106/19/1503
- King-Aaron 5y ago
  > I guess for some strange reason the 2015 Nobel Prize in medicine was awarded to Satoshi Omera for... Sheep Dip? Considering Omura recieved that award for research into infections caused by roundworm parasites, I don't know if that's strictly relevant in discussing it as a treatment for SARS-cov2. "Ivermectin was later tested in humans with parasitic infections and effectively killed parasite larvae (microfilaria)" https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/medicine/2015/press-release/ https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/medicine/2015/press-releas...
  - cheaprentalyeti 5y ago
    It's at least relevant because it has a history of being used in large volumes with humans without killing them. It's more than just "Sheep dip" which is the propaganda talking point.
    - King-Aaron 5y ago
      The fact that you keep using the word 'propaganda' when referencing warning people against using a non-approved veterinarian product with known severe side effects in humans says a lot about your position on the subject. As it stands there is no strong evidence that supports Ivermectin as an effective treatment for covid-19 (The big Elgazzar study was withdrawn due to it being mainly faked, and the journal Clinical Infectious Diseases found it to not be a viable treatment) and many people have been hospitalised due to self medicating with the stuff.
      - kranke155 5y ago
        Veterinarian product ? You must be joking? There’s a human and an animal formulation for ivermectin. Its use is widespread in many countries including places in Africa where it’s cured river blindness since that’s caused by a parasite. You seem woefully misinformed yourself if you think ivermectin is a vet Product. It’s human medicine, in use for decades.
        cheaprentalyeti 5y ago
        Well, it's a vet product, just like Azithromycin used in animals as well as humans, and prescribed to me in the past and furosemide, used in horses as well as people, and which I am currently prescribed... The propaganda point is where you use the fact that it's used in horses to ignore that it's also prescribed to humans on a large scale.
        kranke155 5y ago
        Pretty much.
kranke155 5y ago
Let’s flip that statement on its head and say that people are listening to Pierre Kory who went on the Rogan show to talk about his successful practice of outpatient treatments for COVID 19. You’re trying to induce guilt by association, as if anything or anyone who goes on Rogan must be automatically “something Rogan helped broadcast” and ipso facto must be false. Instead we could take the position that Rogan has both smart people and dumb people on his show. Listening to Pierre Kory is not some act of madness, considering he was also one of the early proponents of corticosteroids for treatment of COVID-19, for which he was proven right after the large double blind studies were conducted. Also who the heck said anything about any vaccines? Not me.

cheaprentalyeti 5y ago

I guess for some strange reason the 2015 Nobel Prize in medicine was awarded to Satoshi Omera for... Sheep Dip? As near as I can tell there's a lot of common human medicines also used on animals and available at veterinary supply stores. Unfortunately in ivermectin's case this is being used in a propaganda campaign. Just to put things in perspective, the same people who helped launch the propaganda campaign against hydroxychloroquine also launched one against ACE Inhibitors[0], that's been since retracted, but still gets cited and used to make policy. A later, actual, study without fabricated data indicated that this was not only untrue, but suggests that the first fraudulent study was actually harmful. [1]. (And just as an aside... that the guys behind surgisphere have done all this _without being investigated further_ is to me one of those Sherlock Holmesian dogs-that-didn't-bark moments in this whole crisis). [0]: https://www.tctmd.com/news/retracted-over-fraud-concerns-surgisphere-acearb-study-still-gets-cited https://www.tctmd.com/news/retracted-over-fraud-concerns-sur... [1]: https://heart.bmj.com/content/106/19/1503 https://heart.bmj.com/content/106/19/1503

King-Aaron 5y ago
> I guess for some strange reason the 2015 Nobel Prize in medicine was awarded to Satoshi Omera for... Sheep Dip? Considering Omura recieved that award for research into infections caused by roundworm parasites, I don't know if that's strictly relevant in discussing it as a treatment for SARS-cov2. "Ivermectin was later tested in humans with parasitic infections and effectively killed parasite larvae (microfilaria)" https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/medicine/2015/press-release/ https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/medicine/2015/press-releas...
- cheaprentalyeti 5y ago
  It's at least relevant because it has a history of being used in large volumes with humans without killing them. It's more than just "Sheep dip" which is the propaganda talking point.
  - King-Aaron 5y ago
    The fact that you keep using the word 'propaganda' when referencing warning people against using a non-approved veterinarian product with known severe side effects in humans says a lot about your position on the subject. As it stands there is no strong evidence that supports Ivermectin as an effective treatment for covid-19 (The big Elgazzar study was withdrawn due to it being mainly faked, and the journal Clinical Infectious Diseases found it to not be a viable treatment) and many people have been hospitalised due to self medicating with the stuff.
    - kranke155 5y ago
      Veterinarian product ? You must be joking? There’s a human and an animal formulation for ivermectin. Its use is widespread in many countries including places in Africa where it’s cured river blindness since that’s caused by a parasite. You seem woefully misinformed yourself if you think ivermectin is a vet Product. It’s human medicine, in use for decades.
      - cheaprentalyeti 5y ago
        Well, it's a vet product, just like Azithromycin used in animals as well as humans, and prescribed to me in the past and furosemide, used in horses as well as people, and which I am currently prescribed... The propaganda point is where you use the fact that it's used in horses to ignore that it's also prescribed to humans on a large scale.
        kranke155 5y ago
        Pretty much.

kranke155 5y ago

Let’s flip that statement on its head and say that people are listening to Pierre Kory who went on the Rogan show to talk about his successful practice of outpatient treatments for COVID 19. You’re trying to induce guilt by association, as if anything or anyone who goes on Rogan must be automatically “something Rogan helped broadcast” and ipso facto must be false. Instead we could take the position that Rogan has both smart people and dumb people on his show. Listening to Pierre Kory is not some act of madness, considering he was also one of the early proponents of corticosteroids for treatment of COVID-19, for which he was proven right after the large double blind studies were conducted. Also who the heck said anything about any vaccines? Not me.