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California tells coronavirus-positive medical workers to stay on the job
- rdtwo 5y agoBypass link ?
- egberts1 5y agohttps://archive.fo/lVqpg https://archive.fo/lVqpg
- netizen-936824 5y agoarchive.is
- throwaway24124 5y agoI guarantee this is happening in every state in the US right now.
- xfitm3 5y agoShould we have fired unvaccinated medical workers?
- mk81 5y ago
- theplumber 5y agoYes
- abc_lisper 5y agoDoesn't matter. The virus will take care of them in a couple of days on the job. They would be out after that.
- austhrow743 5y agoMost people had no to low symptoms even with Covid original. Far more so now with Omicron.
- wahern 5y agoAccording to this November, 2021 article, 20% of health care workers have quit since the pandemic: https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2021-11-15/us-faces-crisis-of-burned-out-health-care-workers https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2021-11-15/... According to this aggregation of stats, it seems about 1% of hospital staff have been terminated or quit due to COVID-19 vaccination compliance: https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/workforce/vaccination-requirements-spur-employee-terminations-resignations-numbers-from-6-health-systems.html https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/workforce/vaccination-... The numbers seem to be lower in highly vaccinated states and higher in vaccine skeptic states, so for California the number is probably lower than 1%. I'm not sure if those numbers favor or disfavor your point, but I was curious.
- reducesuffering 5y agoThat link you referred to about 1% seems to be just firings. From personal experience with someone who works in California hospitals, I can say that there is massive stigma to those unvaccinated (with no regards to previous infection immunity, of which 2 years into the pandemic I'd wager 1/2 of them have it due to proximity), and a good portion of that 20% you mentioned quit will be preemptive because of dissatisfaction with mandate policies and stigma.
- wahern 5y ago> That link you referred to about 1% seems to be just firings. Several of the hospital reports included resignations and early retirements, and at least one reported only voluntary resignations and zero dismissals, yet the numbers seemed to align well. But I was mostly just eyeballing an overall estimate of 1%. And the 1% and 20% figures aren't even directly comparable as I assume all health care workers (latter group) are a different group than hospital staff (most of the former group). Still, they're sourced numbers, which is something. Numbers with citations can be vetted, just as you did, and they can help anchor the debate.
- genocidicbunny 5y agoI wonder what the breakdown is of nurses/doctors vs admin staff that was fired. Anecdotally, in New Orleans a lot of the firings were of admin staff.
- 8note 5y agoIf they're definitely going to catch covid from their coworkers, it seems a bit of a liability for the hospital, considering the elevated risk of severe disease from not being vaccinated
- reducesuffering 5y agoI'm sure they would enthusiastically sign whatever form absolves liability...
- Der_Einzige 5y agoAll this because hospitals refuse to increase pay and benefits (the article mentions a few other factors but this one seems like it's by far the most important). Nationalize, nationalize, nationalize. No more "the margins are too thin, we can't afford to!" All excuses. You have a civic duty in times of crisis to put people (slightly) more over profit. This is what we as a country have historically done during times of war, and it IS a war against this virus. Start putting the fire on the hospital CEOs and C-suite on every platform. Twitter, Facebook, Reddit, LinkedIn. But of course some do-gooder will write a long post explaining how all of this is untenable and how the status quo or something slightly like it is inevitable. It isn't. We can fix this, but we choose not to.
- s1artibartfast 5y agoIn war times, the country has mobilized the workforce with incentives that they needed to and got people into jobs that were productive. We could have and still can do that if we so choose. There was a time in the past where you could get an nurse in the hospital training immediately with basic tasks, and a credentialing program on the order of one year. This crisis has not been so severe has to overcome the regulatory and union issues make this happen.
- refurb 5y agoNationalize? You realize that the government in Canada is telling the healthcare unions there is no more money?
- black_13 5y ago
- pjc50 5y agoThe UK is determined to not increase pay and benefits for its nationalized healthcare workforce either. It's not a silver bullet, it rather relies on having an informed populace encouraging the government to make intelligent choices.
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- throwawaysea 5y agoDidn’t they previously fire unvaccinated workers?
- lenkite 5y agoUnvaccinated nurses with natural immunity can't stay on the job but infected nurses can. This is peak idiocy.
- skocznymroczny 5y agoIf the point is to stop the spread of virus, it is. But if the point is to force everyone to get vaccinated (why?), it is not.
- Ekaros 5y agoWhich is why from medical and ethical standpoint the vaccine passports that are oh so popular never made any sense. Vaccinated people can and do spread it. Even among each other. So what is the point? For proper control the test passport would have been the clear solution. But I take there are political opinions behind this...
- pipodeclown 5y agoThe point is that vaccinated people have lower infection rates and if they do catch, they spread it less. That is the justification for having less restrictions on vaccinated people.
- Ekaros 5y agoStill non-zero infection rates. Also it is clear that they have lead to increase spreading as people take less precautions and do more risky behaviour like drugs...
- Terretta 5y agoNon zero people die with seatbelts too. Remember when we were told seatbelts would make people drive like lunatics so we shouldn't legally require them? (I do.)
- Stevvo 5y ago
- 8note 5y agoThis seems like there's a communications failure on how severe omicron is, and what the current risks to avoid are.
- egberts1 5y agoWe really should call the “firing of unvaccinated healthcare workers” for what it really is: protectionism for and against aging upper management.
- dusted 5y agoWell, there must be some point where the scale tips, some point where more people would die from lack of staff, than from being infected by staff.