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Now I'll try to address your points: >Is he just saying that that all precautions for respiratory viruses like masks, vaccines and distancing are useless and s

by 650 5y ago

Now I'll try to address your points: >Is he just saying that that all precautions for respiratory viruses like masks, vaccines and distancing are useless and should be stopped? Is he suggesting that we stop using the flu vaccine as well? Prefer steelmanning this. We know cloth masks are not effective, yet we force them rather than alternatives. We never mandated flu vaccines (is/ought problem?), and why would he suggest stopping the flu vaccine? This seems like a needless dig. Distancing is basically theatre this point with the prevalence of Omnicron. >The vaccine is far safer than covid, so giving the vaccine to millions is much safer than giving covid to millions. Not for certain age groups. Even if they're equivalent, mandates should not be a thing when the risk between the virus and the vax is so close. > I have no idea where he's getting this from. The vaccinated still spread COVID at a high rate, especially with the prevalence of Omnicron. >Is this a repeat of the "everyone over 60 should just die" line that went around the US in 2020? I agree some may have said this, but realistically there was a 90%+ survival rate (IFR) pre vaccine for 60+. (Figures not exact)

tynpeddler 5y ago
Masks are effective: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/masking-science-sars-cov2.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-br... The letter author brought up the flu when he stared talking about respiratory viruses. To date, all data states that the Moderna and Pfizer vaccine is safer than covid for every age group that has sufficient data. I would assume many other vaccines are similar. Looks like I accidentally deleted a section before I posted. I was referring to his claim that people are arguing that vaccinated can't spread covid. This is ridiculous because it's been know for a while that vaccinated can probably still spread covid. The CDC has had this on it's FAQ for a while: "Early evidence suggests infections in fully vaccinated persons caused by the Delta variant of SARS-CoV-2 may be transmissible to others". Which is basically science speak for "yes it happens, but we don't have a good idea of exactly how much." There are almost a billion people in the world in the 60+ demographic. That's a lot of dead people. Covid also kills a fair amount of people in the 35-54 range. This paper(https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rsob.200213 https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rsob.200213) estimates ~1% but it's from 2020 so the numbers may have changed a bit. The number of people in the age group 35-54 is several billion, so that's also a lot of dead people.
- 650 5y ago
  N95 and Properly fitted surgical masks yes. Loose cloth masks which I see the majority of people wearing these days, no.
  - tynpeddler 5y ago
    The data does not agree with you.

by 650 5y ago

tynpeddler 5y ago

Masks are effective: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/masking-science-sars-cov2.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-br... The letter author brought up the flu when he stared talking about respiratory viruses. To date, all data states that the Moderna and Pfizer vaccine is safer than covid for every age group that has sufficient data. I would assume many other vaccines are similar. Looks like I accidentally deleted a section before I posted. I was referring to his claim that people are arguing that vaccinated can't spread covid. This is ridiculous because it's been know for a while that vaccinated can probably still spread covid. The CDC has had this on it's FAQ for a while: "Early evidence suggests infections in fully vaccinated persons caused by the Delta variant of SARS-CoV-2 may be transmissible to others". Which is basically science speak for "yes it happens, but we don't have a good idea of exactly how much." There are almost a billion people in the world in the 60+ demographic. That's a lot of dead people. Covid also kills a fair amount of people in the 35-54 range. This paper(https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rsob.200213 https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rsob.200213) estimates ~1% but it's from 2020 so the numbers may have changed a bit. The number of people in the age group 35-54 is several billion, so that's also a lot of dead people.

650 5y ago
N95 and Properly fitted surgical masks yes. Loose cloth masks which I see the majority of people wearing these days, no.
- tynpeddler 5y ago
  The data does not agree with you.