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Ask HN: Current freelancer and consulting rates survey
I figure it would be interesting to start a thread about current freelancer and consulting rates.
State what work you do, where you are based, where your clients are based and what type of rates you are charging at the moment.
- uid 15y agoThere is a lot of work out there at the moment. I got back into consulting work as a freelancer two weeks ago and filled up my schedule within a couple of days after sending a single email to 5 or 6 contacts. I am working on backend Python, frontend Javascript (Backbone, etc.) and general startup product consulting. Charging $700 per day (which I think is low, but I wanted to accept some work), based in Asia and clients in the USA (West Coast)
- condorr 15y agoWhere did you find your contacts? People who you've previously worked with? I'd be interested in how those rates compare with say freelancing at oDesk or vWorker.
- uid 15y agoI emailed friends and former co-workers. I have never used any of the freelancing sites, but from what I understand it is difficult to charge higher rates as you are starting out.
- byoung2 15y agoCharging $700 per day...based in Asia and clients in the USA (West Coast) Where in Asia? That rate could go a long way in the Philippines or Thailand, or not very far in Hong Kong or Singapore.
- uid 15y agoI travel between Australia and Thailand. I will be raising my rates with the next quote I do. I have only been back in freelance work for a few weeks now.
- rglover 15y agoDepends on what you're "freelancing." As a designer, it tends to waiver based on the project but generally I'll either charge an hourly rate of $60, or, just price out the project as a total lump sum. Everyone has their own way, but I tend to go the route that makes it easiest for the client as well as a good move for my bank account. Two of my favorites for figuring out an hourly rate or how much to charge as a whole: http://freelanceswitch.com/rates/ http://freelanceswitch.com/rates/ http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2009/07/14/quality-price-ratio-in-web-design-pricing-design-work/ http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2009/07/14/quality-price-rat...
- nicksergeant 15y agoFront-end development work and Django back-end work, $85/hr. Also do basic Ubuntu setup for a typical Django-based site from scratch. Based in Rochester, NY. My clients are all over the place - NYC, SF, BOS, but very few are in close proximity to Rochester.
- jasonkester 15y agoThis would probably work better as a poll or an offsite, anonymous survey. I don't think you'll get very accurate results from limiting yourself to the small fraction of developers who: - don't mind disclosing their salary in public - don't have any co-workers, employers, or clients who read this site - have a single fixed rate that they charge everybody - don't plan to change their rate in the future - make enough to not feel silly disclosing their rate in public - don't make so much that they'll feel like they're just bragging I'd personally be happy to tick a box, but I'm not going to quote my rate here.
- patio11 15y agoWhat Jason said. The "wants to help you" me really, really wants to quote numbers because I think people pervasively underprice their services. The "wants to not be awkward socially" me really doesn't want folks to immediately do "50 * $WEEKLY_RATE = $WOWZA" and assume that I'm loaded, partially because it would be wrong and partially because it might change how people interacted with me in a way I wouldn't enjoy. The rational businessman in me knows that telling my rate or rate range in place where prospective customers are quite likely to see it (hiya, past clients! waves) can only hurt my economic interests. Which is a pity, because I think this is likely to systematically put a downward bias on answers you get back. These issues don't bite quite so hard when you're charging $20 ~ $60 an hour. If one hypothetically had weekly rates in the $8k to $24k region, they start to matter more. I'd hate for impressionable consultants reading the poll results to think that $20 ~ $60 is reasonably achievable and $8k to $24k is not just because only one of those was written in the results. P.S. $8k to $24k is not my range. I just 10X and weekified the "relatively inexpensive programmer" numbers I picked out of nowhere.
- uid 15y agoThe other way of approaching this may be to pivot it towards a general discussion on the state of the market in different sectors, regions, etc. For eg. I know that atm iOS developers based in San Francisco or the valley can charge out around $1500 per day. I also know that on-site web development work in Australia (Sydney) can fetch $150+ These are both from friends of mine who are experienced developers and who can work and complete a project on their own. I also learnt today that the discount on working remotely can be large in some instances. (30%) Interesting takeaways to get from other HN members would be what areas are hot at the moment (for eg. javascript web app dev), where the market is hot, how clients are being found, etc. I am getting back into the market after a few years of fulltime employment and taking time off, so I am trying to get as much information as possible in order to get back up to speed.
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- phamilton 15y agoRuby on Rails Development Based in UT, clients in DC. $60-$80 depending on the project and the schedule.
- phamilton 15y agoFollow up info: I'm a student and only do 20 hours/week, but I'm kept pretty busy from one long term contract I've got.
- salarypoll 15y agoMobile Developer San Francisco $175/hr
- sjs 15y agoThat certainly offsets costs of living in SF.
- 0x12 15y agoThat depends on how much time he/she can book at that rate.
- dustineichler 15y agoWhile that is cool. You have to realize he's not getting this rate all the time or at least that many projects that can be billed out as such. Pivotal labs can though. I'd know about it, having done similar work in SF. It's unusual. Typically rates are pretty normalized and much lower, however I'm surprised rates are actually consistent across the US despite the cost of living. Makes me feel like I'm working a lot harder for less, which is probably true. That's SF!
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- noinput 15y agoyou really needed to create an account called "salarypoll" just to answer this?
- BSousa 15y agoapprox: €50/65 USD per hour depending on project. iOS developer. Mostly remote work from Portugal
- flyosity 15y agoI do some Mac and iOS user interface design & development consulting on the side of my real job. I charge between $100-150/hr depending on the project, and I don't really take many projects since I try to leave enough time for me to work on my own apps and projects. I live in Raleigh, NC but my clients are worldwide.
- driverdan 15y agoI do LAMP, front-end (JS, HTML5/CSS3), server admin, performance optimization, project planning / product dev, security consulting, SEO, and whatever else a client will pay me to do. Typical rate is $75/h. I also do project quotes that work out to be more or less. Through BidOnMyDay I've been working for less but meeting some great people (shameless plug): http://bidonmyday.com http://bidonmyday.com I'm US based. Currently a nomad living in hostels, hotels, and couch surfing. I DGAF if people know what I make. I've never understood apprehension with discussing income. If you have coworkers it could make sense but this is for freelancers. Also, if you think a freelancer makes RATE * FULL TIME HOURS you've never been one.
- aangjie 15y agoLove the funkiness of your idea/site....do wonder what's the average bid...though...:-)
- driverdan 15y agoI may add a stats / balance sheet page w/ full transparency when I have the time. It's low on my list though, too many other things to add first.
- blacksmythe 15y agoThe most successful consultants I know charge ~80% of max(RATE), and bill 40-60 hours per week working for a few clients. They have a very good income compared to people who concentrate on trying to make max(RATE), and to people who work full-time jobs. The consultants who make the best living also have a spouse who works and provides health benefits.
- pokethat 15y agoIn the uk, u will be lucky if people want to pay over 300pounds a day(a day means 8-9 hrs) for ios dev.
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- nfriedly 15y agoThese aren't me, but to give some perspective, I know of a bay-area consultant who charges $200 per hour for JavaScript related work and by all accounts is well worth it. I know of another that charges $150-175 for GWT development.
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- alex3t 15y agoFor me, as ex freelancer, all clear: $10-20 for so called programmer from Asia(China, India) $20-$30 for russian or east European programmer with CS degree $60 for programmer from England >$60 US PS: prices for Ruby devs, it can be different for iOS or Java
- struggling101 15y agoI am wondering if anyone here worked for the man and decided that wasn't for them. Thus you went the freelance/consulting route? If so, how and where did you get your clients? Also, are you able sustain yourself, do you ever struggle financially and or you are able to make more money being independent? I'm just starting out on this route and seeking advice overall on this.
- Random_Person 15y agoI do on-site SysAdmin/tech work for local businesses at $65/hr. That's in West Virginia. BUT, I'm undercutting. I have a day job that pays me significantly less, but affords me plenty of PTO to do work like this. I've done work with a local company that charges $95/hr. I've also been told by businesses that they pay $75-150/hr with other consultants/businesses.
- lsc 15y agoI'm a Linux SysAdmin in Sunnyvale, clients are all over. I don't do a lot of consulting, maybe one day a month or so, give or take. But I usually charge around $100/hr. I've gone as high as $200 and as low as $80 in recent times, but $100 is usually the target. Of course, my prices float based on how much I want the work; If prgmr.com just handed out a big credit and/or I'm drooling over some new hardware, you can often get a deal; when the cashflow on my VPSs is good, on the other hand, not so much. Last time I did full-time contracting through a body shop I got $72/hr, but this was several years back, and I've published a book since then. I'm looking to have my company do more consulting as a way to raise short-term revenue, and as a way provide my employee(s) a way to do higher value work (and thus earn more money) without leaving my company for more profitable employers. Ideally, I'd personally do about one day a week of contracting like this, and as employees become more experienced, slowly transition them from support to consulting. As far as I can tell, rates depend as much on the client as on your skill level. I've had some clients laugh at my rate and offer /more/ - while others do the opposite. I'm considering retainer type deals, and I'd be interested to hear how retainers have worked for other people. edit: attempted a less-objectifying reword.
- dustineichler 15y agoI've worked on 2 week retainers initially. It's worth while with small and larger clients alike. It adds a air of security and relationship trust between you the client. Make it know upfront you work on a retainer though, obviously not after the fact. Individual clients not so much. Somewhat unrelated, but relative is a talk by Mike_FTW on payments --freelancing http://vimeo.com/22053820 http://vimeo.com/22053820
- lsc 15y agoHow do your retainers work? My thought was to charge them some minimum number of hours a month that they'd pay regardless of use, but in exchange, I'd put their stuff on my pager, and make time to deal with it if they had an emergency. I think it makes a lot of sense for SysAdmin type work; there are times when you really need me /right now/ - waiting for me to clear my schedule some time next week is not going to work. I think maximum value would be achieved if I put your stuff on my pager. when something breaks, I go fix it and let you know what happened when you wake up; This is a lot of value for you, but for me to be effective at this, I need to know a lot about your systems, and as such, I'd want some sort of monthly money to pay to hold your system in my brain and my notes (and to answer my pager when it goes off at 6am.) It seems to me like this sort of relationship would work best if it was very long term; you'd keep paying me the retainer until you can afford to hire your own SysAdmin.
- peterdelrosario 15y agoWashington DC, $100/hr.
- pyramid 15y agoMobile web developer, front end and back end. Going rate is roughly 1000€ a day, charge less and you won't be taken seriously.
- Lukeas14 15y agohttps://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AlD_6iEb8Ed9dGs3clVJYi0yYVBka181Z0ZKRW9kQ0E&hl=en_US#gid=0 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AlD_6iEb8Ed9dGs... This is a spreadsheet of contractors on Hacker News that was going around a few months ago. You could probably get a good idea of rates for various technologies here.
- mgkimsal 15y agoHopefully somewhat on-topic, but one of the comments - "$1500 a day?! I'm underpricing myself!" made me want to contribute this: The consultants who get this typically do more than just code. Often (usually) you'll end up needing to travel. I run in to a lot of talented freelance developers who 1) vow to never travel outside their hometown and 2) wonder why they can't charge high rates. I'm not saying you need to fly overseas 3-4x per month, but part of being able to charge the high rates is providing value to clients commensurate with the price you charge. Providing value encompasses things like meeting the client in their office, even if it's 7 hours away. Arrange your own flight, charge it back later, etc. Make solving their problems first and foremost. There's load of other stuff to say on pricing, and there are few universal rules on pricing. I do know that one of the things that's allowed me to charge what I charge is that I'm willing to go out of town to people who need what I offer. I'm not saying these are my numbers, but if you're charging $30/hour now, but could make, say, $90/hour by going onsite to clients - being willing to travel to other cities for days at a time - would you do it? I'm actually a bit shocked at the number of people I meet who tell me "no". I realize not everyone has the same priorities I do, but still surprising.
- mark_l_watson 15y agoI charge $60/hour when working at home and twice that when on site. I turn down almost all (over 80%) consulting offers, so I could probably raise my rates if I was not so fussy about what work I accept. I am semi-retired now, and enjoying work is a higher priority than maximizing income.
- tylerc230 15y agoI was making $60/hr through odesk.com as an ios developer working < 10hr/wk. I imagine I could get more if I was pursuing clients actively (I live in San Francisco). I'm considering going back to it fulltime and was wondering what sort of business entity people are using (LLC, Corp, indy business owner etc.).