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Let's say instead of 'copyrighted file' it's CSAM material instead. Is it 'illegal'? Maybe you can convince a judge otherwise.... after your home has been raide

Let's say instead of 'copyrighted file' it's CSAM material instead. Is it 'illegal'? Maybe you can convince a judge otherwise.... after your home has been raided, you've already done at least some time in jail where all the inmates know you've been arrested for CSAM, your friends & family know you've been arrested for that, that's what comes up under a Google search for your name for all time, thus making you unemployable..... Yes, after spending $500k-1 million on a defense attorney, it's possible that you could convince a judge that that content isn't 'illegal', sure. (How many judges- average age over 60- can learn what a 'striped raid' is?) But none of those other consequences can be reversed, even if you 'win' at trial

kragen 5y ago
The system you're describing is a system in which random policemen can arbitrarily destroy the life and legacy of whoever they want. Such a system does already exist in many countries. It doesn't depend on people actually hosting decentralized communications facilities at all; police officers can do the same to anyone who refused them free accommodations at their hotel, or declined their offer of partnership in their nightclub venture. It's irrelevant whether there's any forbidden information actually being communicated, striped or otherwise. In other places, there does exist a "rule of law" that limits such abuses to a significant degree.
- acdha 5y ago
  > In other places, there does exist a "rule of law" that limits such abuses to a significant degree. Yes — my original point was that this is what will protect you and that's what you want to focus on strengthening. If you don't have a reasonable civil society, technology is unlikely to help and the various ways to get it wrong mean that there's a substantial risk of false confidence.
  - kragen 5y ago
    In places where some degree of rule of law exists, to the extent that that's at all compatible with some knowledge being forbidden, not actually having the forbidden knowledge yourself will also protect you.
- hash872 5y ago
  What are the countries where you can interact with a blockchain that contains CSAM, but you can avoid charges by explaining in technical detail what a 'striped raid' is to the relevant authorities? Can you name these countries? My personal guess, no offense, is that they don't exist
  - kragen 5y ago
    Nobody has any idea, but so far almost all of the Freenet, IRC, and Usenet police raids have been on end-users who originated or used forbidden information, not people who merely ran a server. In most countries running a Tor bridge is safe, and in a smaller number of countries running a Tor exit node is relatively safe, although numerous end-users of Tor have been arrested for one or another crime.

kragen 5y ago

The system you're describing is a system in which random policemen can arbitrarily destroy the life and legacy of whoever they want. Such a system does already exist in many countries. It doesn't depend on people actually hosting decentralized communications facilities at all; police officers can do the same to anyone who refused them free accommodations at their hotel, or declined their offer of partnership in their nightclub venture. It's irrelevant whether there's any forbidden information actually being communicated, striped or otherwise. In other places, there does exist a "rule of law" that limits such abuses to a significant degree.

acdha 5y ago
> In other places, there does exist a "rule of law" that limits such abuses to a significant degree. Yes — my original point was that this is what will protect you and that's what you want to focus on strengthening. If you don't have a reasonable civil society, technology is unlikely to help and the various ways to get it wrong mean that there's a substantial risk of false confidence.
- kragen 5y ago
  In places where some degree of rule of law exists, to the extent that that's at all compatible with some knowledge being forbidden, not actually having the forbidden knowledge yourself will also protect you.
hash872 5y ago
What are the countries where you can interact with a blockchain that contains CSAM, but you can avoid charges by explaining in technical detail what a 'striped raid' is to the relevant authorities? Can you name these countries? My personal guess, no offense, is that they don't exist
- kragen 5y ago
  Nobody has any idea, but so far almost all of the Freenet, IRC, and Usenet police raids have been on end-users who originated or used forbidden information, not people who merely ran a server. In most countries running a Tor bridge is safe, and in a smaller number of countries running a Tor exit node is relatively safe, although numerous end-users of Tor have been arrested for one or another crime.