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Scientists, Doctors: Spotify Needs Misinfo Policy Re: Claims on Joe Rogan Show

20 points by aspenmayer 5y ago

bad_username 5y ago
"Heresy" sounds old-fashioned, so now they call it "misinformation".
uejfiweun 5y ago
I love these headlines that breathlessly assert "Scientists and Doctors" are demanding these changes, or 1000 Scientists have signed a letter saying X, or things along these lines. There are a lot of scientists and doctors in the world, and I'm sure you could find thousands that support just about any position. In fact, the "disinfo" in question here is being pushed by a doctor! But you won't see that in the headline. At the end of the day Rogan's power has pissed a lot of people off, and they are desperate to find something, anything, that sticks to him. But it's so blatantly obvious that the end result is nothing but further loss of media credibility.
- kranke155 5y ago
  I’ve seen so much criticism of Robert Malone, on his resume, yet no one has gone point by point through his Rogan interview on the data. Why not? Tbh the data they talked about sounded solid, they were clearly talking about real papers and data, and Malone didn’t seem like he was BSing (although I think “mass formation psychosis” is insane and neither Malone nor Rogan should be talking about stupid shit like that). But on the vaccine, was there a lot of bad data there? If there was, where’s the takedown?
  - cplusplusfellow 5y ago
    I’ve seen firsthand numerous people walking around 60 meters from anyone wearing tightly fitting N95s and face shields. I’ve seen several instances firsthand, not just on Reddit, of people putting surgical masks on their car AC vents. Pardon me if I detect a mass psychosis for an illness that almost assuredly will be troublesome, but overall less of a discomfort than draconian lockdown and so forth. And overall will (statistically) kill almost no one who contracts it. Yes, cue the “but 900,000 people”, and I’ll cue the litany of unforeseen consequences that will reduce life expectancy even further. But I’m pretty sure there is some mass psychology applied to our response to covid, and it’s generally overblown when we involve mass psychology. Just ask Charles Mackay.
    - kranke155 5y ago
      What you call mass psychosis is just poor information and misinformation filtering through the population, and it’s always been commonplace. Dumb people have always existed, and the vast majority of individuals know very little about anything outside their own niche of expertise (if they have one). Under this logic you could accuse anyone of a disparate political view (ie anarchism) of mass psychosis
- webmaven 5y ago
  You may find "Project Steve" amusing: https://ncse.ngo/project-steve https://ncse.ngo/project-steve
kranke155 5y ago
Wow so Pierre Kory is a “misinformant” now since he talks about using ivermectin alongside a large cocktail of other drugs in his practice of COVID 19 outpatient treatment ? Have people lost their marbles entirely, ivermectin is under active study and Kory afaik has used it, in his opinion and experience, successfully. Now talking about that is a thought crime? So anything BELOW the standard of a double blind large scale trials is a “lie” not worth spreading, even though we now have as it was explained on another Rogan episode (by someone who appeared very centrist and even handed) that placing this sort of demands on a developing issue might block innovation since large scale double blind trials are incredibly expensive, generally financed by Big Pharma for their own medicine.
- King-Aaron 5y ago
  I find it fascinating that there are people who don't want to take vaccines that are developed by leading pharmaceutical companies based on decades of mRNA research because "its still not studied enough", but will happily consume a sheep dip inoculant that is still "under study" because Joe Rogan talked to one dude who hands it out to people.
  - cheaprentalyeti 5y ago
    I guess for some strange reason the 2015 Nobel Prize in medicine was awarded to Satoshi Omera for... Sheep Dip? As near as I can tell there's a lot of common human medicines also used on animals and available at veterinary supply stores. Unfortunately in ivermectin's case this is being used in a propaganda campaign. Just to put things in perspective, the same people who helped launch the propaganda campaign against hydroxychloroquine also launched one against ACE Inhibitors[0], that's been since retracted, but still gets cited and used to make policy. A later, actual, study without fabricated data indicated that this was not only untrue, but suggests that the first fraudulent study was actually harmful. [1]. (And just as an aside... that the guys behind surgisphere have done all this _without being investigated further_ is to me one of those Sherlock Holmesian dogs-that-didn't-bark moments in this whole crisis). [0]: https://www.tctmd.com/news/retracted-over-fraud-concerns-surgisphere-acearb-study-still-gets-cited https://www.tctmd.com/news/retracted-over-fraud-concerns-sur... [1]: https://heart.bmj.com/content/106/19/1503 https://heart.bmj.com/content/106/19/1503
yosefjaved1 5y ago
This is so ridiculous and shameful to the idea of a free press/media in the US. Why single out Rogan? MSNBC, CNN, Fox News and so many other media outlets have tons of talk/entertainment shows that misinform the public on so many matters, but no muzzle or warning of misinformation is being labelled on them. "Misinformation" seems to be the new "Red Scare" of our day. Instead of people actually wanting to argue and debate the points of an individual with a platform, they rather just say that's misinformation to try and shut them down. I understand people are exacerbated in discussing certain points over and over again, but you sort of have to and it's the responsibility of these scientists to go on those shows to argue and discredit this so called "misinformation" with a coherent argument and point.

20 points by aspenmayer 5y ago

"Heresy" sounds old-fashioned, so now they call it "misinformation".

I love these headlines that breathlessly assert "Scientists and Doctors" are demanding these changes, or 1000 Scientists have signed a letter saying X, or things along these lines. There are a lot of scientists and doctors in the world, and I'm sure you could find thousands that support just about any position. In fact, the "disinfo" in question here is being pushed by a doctor! But you won't see that in the headline. At the end of the day Rogan's power has pissed a lot of people off, and they are desperate to find something, anything, that sticks to him. But it's so blatantly obvious that the end result is nothing but further loss of media credibility.

kranke155 5y ago
I’ve seen so much criticism of Robert Malone, on his resume, yet no one has gone point by point through his Rogan interview on the data. Why not? Tbh the data they talked about sounded solid, they were clearly talking about real papers and data, and Malone didn’t seem like he was BSing (although I think “mass formation psychosis” is insane and neither Malone nor Rogan should be talking about stupid shit like that). But on the vaccine, was there a lot of bad data there? If there was, where’s the takedown?
- cplusplusfellow 5y ago
  I’ve seen firsthand numerous people walking around 60 meters from anyone wearing tightly fitting N95s and face shields. I’ve seen several instances firsthand, not just on Reddit, of people putting surgical masks on their car AC vents. Pardon me if I detect a mass psychosis for an illness that almost assuredly will be troublesome, but overall less of a discomfort than draconian lockdown and so forth. And overall will (statistically) kill almost no one who contracts it. Yes, cue the “but 900,000 people”, and I’ll cue the litany of unforeseen consequences that will reduce life expectancy even further. But I’m pretty sure there is some mass psychology applied to our response to covid, and it’s generally overblown when we involve mass psychology. Just ask Charles Mackay.
  - kranke155 5y ago
    What you call mass psychosis is just poor information and misinformation filtering through the population, and it’s always been commonplace. Dumb people have always existed, and the vast majority of individuals know very little about anything outside their own niche of expertise (if they have one). Under this logic you could accuse anyone of a disparate political view (ie anarchism) of mass psychosis
webmaven 5y ago
You may find "Project Steve" amusing: https://ncse.ngo/project-steve https://ncse.ngo/project-steve

kranke155 5y ago

Wow so Pierre Kory is a “misinformant” now since he talks about using ivermectin alongside a large cocktail of other drugs in his practice of COVID 19 outpatient treatment ? Have people lost their marbles entirely, ivermectin is under active study and Kory afaik has used it, in his opinion and experience, successfully. Now talking about that is a thought crime? So anything BELOW the standard of a double blind large scale trials is a “lie” not worth spreading, even though we now have as it was explained on another Rogan episode (by someone who appeared very centrist and even handed) that placing this sort of demands on a developing issue might block innovation since large scale double blind trials are incredibly expensive, generally financed by Big Pharma for their own medicine.

King-Aaron 5y ago
I find it fascinating that there are people who don't want to take vaccines that are developed by leading pharmaceutical companies based on decades of mRNA research because "its still not studied enough", but will happily consume a sheep dip inoculant that is still "under study" because Joe Rogan talked to one dude who hands it out to people.
- cheaprentalyeti 5y ago
  I guess for some strange reason the 2015 Nobel Prize in medicine was awarded to Satoshi Omera for... Sheep Dip? As near as I can tell there's a lot of common human medicines also used on animals and available at veterinary supply stores. Unfortunately in ivermectin's case this is being used in a propaganda campaign. Just to put things in perspective, the same people who helped launch the propaganda campaign against hydroxychloroquine also launched one against ACE Inhibitors[0], that's been since retracted, but still gets cited and used to make policy. A later, actual, study without fabricated data indicated that this was not only untrue, but suggests that the first fraudulent study was actually harmful. [1]. (And just as an aside... that the guys behind surgisphere have done all this _without being investigated further_ is to me one of those Sherlock Holmesian dogs-that-didn't-bark moments in this whole crisis). [0]: https://www.tctmd.com/news/retracted-over-fraud-concerns-surgisphere-acearb-study-still-gets-cited https://www.tctmd.com/news/retracted-over-fraud-concerns-sur... [1]: https://heart.bmj.com/content/106/19/1503 https://heart.bmj.com/content/106/19/1503

yosefjaved1 5y ago

This is so ridiculous and shameful to the idea of a free press/media in the US. Why single out Rogan? MSNBC, CNN, Fox News and so many other media outlets have tons of talk/entertainment shows that misinform the public on so many matters, but no muzzle or warning of misinformation is being labelled on them. "Misinformation" seems to be the new "Red Scare" of our day. Instead of people actually wanting to argue and debate the points of an individual with a platform, they rather just say that's misinformation to try and shut them down. I understand people are exacerbated in discussing certain points over and over again, but you sort of have to and it's the responsibility of these scientists to go on those shows to argue and discredit this so called "misinformation" with a coherent argument and point.