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so... what do we do with non-criminals? All the small things like bike theft, not paying child support, fare evasion and urinating in the streets? For extra cr

so... what do we do with non-criminals? All the small things like bike theft, not paying child support, fare evasion and urinating in the streets? For extra credit: assume the offender has no money.

Ensorceled 5y ago
Whoa. Are you defending putting these people in jail with murderers and gang members?
- AlexTWithBeard 5y ago
  I do not. But what are the alternatives? Spanking?
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  - dwohnitmok 5y ago
    > Spanking? Some countries essentially do this (e.g. caning in Singapore).
    - inglor_cz 5y ago
      Don't you, at least in Singapore, get caning in addition to a prison sentence?
      - AlexTWithBeard 5y ago
        TIL: In Singapore parents can declare their children "beyond parental control". From that point the government will take care of their behavior. [1] https://singaporelegaladvice.com/law-articles/what-is-a-beyond-parental-control-order/ https://singaporelegaladvice.com/law-articles/what-is-a-beyo...
      - dwohnitmok 5y ago
        I thought that there were at least some circumstances where caning would happen in lieu of a prison sentence but it looks like I'm wrong.
      - clove 5y ago
        Has there ever been any studies on caning + prison and whether it has any efficacy in reducing recidivism in Singapore vs. just prison?
- inglor_cz 5y ago
  Many countries have prison levels. Non-violent offenders will be housed in a different prison than violent offenders, and the worst of the worst (usually lifers) will be put into one or two very secure prisons. This castle is the max security prison in Czechia. Used as a prison since 1760 (back then for offending clergy). You won't get there for child support debt. https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/V%C4%9Bznice_M%C3%ADrov https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/V%C4%9Bznice_M%C3%ADrov (Though as a former kid whose father was deliberately neglecting child support payments - it can work pretty long if he lives in another country that has a corrupt judicial system - I believe withholding child support should be punished by more than just a slap on the wrist. Lack of support makes life really hard for the kids.)
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dahfizz 5y ago
non-criminals? Do you mean non-violent criminals? Theft is a crime, perpetrating said crime makes you a criminal.
- AlexTWithBeard 5y ago
  That. Or we can put the line between misdemeanor and a felony.

so... what do we do with non-criminals? All the small things like bike theft, not paying child support, fare evasion and urinating in the streets? For extra credit: assume the offender has no money.

Ensorceled 5y ago

Whoa. Are you defending putting these people in jail with murderers and gang members?

AlexTWithBeard 5y ago
I do not. But what are the alternatives? Spanking?
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- dwohnitmok 5y ago
  > Spanking? Some countries essentially do this (e.g. caning in Singapore).
  - inglor_cz 5y ago
    Don't you, at least in Singapore, get caning in addition to a prison sentence?
    - AlexTWithBeard 5y ago
      TIL: In Singapore parents can declare their children "beyond parental control". From that point the government will take care of their behavior. [1] https://singaporelegaladvice.com/law-articles/what-is-a-beyond-parental-control-order/ https://singaporelegaladvice.com/law-articles/what-is-a-beyo...
    - dwohnitmok 5y ago
      I thought that there were at least some circumstances where caning would happen in lieu of a prison sentence but it looks like I'm wrong.
    - clove 5y ago
      Has there ever been any studies on caning + prison and whether it has any efficacy in reducing recidivism in Singapore vs. just prison?
inglor_cz 5y ago
Many countries have prison levels. Non-violent offenders will be housed in a different prison than violent offenders, and the worst of the worst (usually lifers) will be put into one or two very secure prisons. This castle is the max security prison in Czechia. Used as a prison since 1760 (back then for offending clergy). You won't get there for child support debt. https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/V%C4%9Bznice_M%C3%ADrov https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/V%C4%9Bznice_M%C3%ADrov (Though as a former kid whose father was deliberately neglecting child support payments - it can work pretty long if he lives in another country that has a corrupt judicial system - I believe withholding child support should be punished by more than just a slap on the wrist. Lack of support makes life really hard for the kids.)

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dahfizz 5y ago

non-criminals? Do you mean non-violent criminals? Theft is a crime, perpetrating said crime makes you a criminal.

AlexTWithBeard 5y ago
That. Or we can put the line between misdemeanor and a felony.