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If they were targeting Amazon, you would probably say "Targeting Amazon and not Google or Facebook for tech monopoly is not a good luck." You need to start some

If they were targeting Amazon, you would probably say "Targeting Amazon and not Google or Facebook for tech monopoly is not a good luck." You need to start somewhere. If you have a specific reason why Facebook is not a monopoly worthy of breaking up, then let's hear it. Some vague theory about not donating money doesn't cut it.

isoskeles 5y ago
> If they were targeting Amazon, you would probably say "Targeting Amazon and not Google or Facebook for tech monopoly is not a good luck." Nope. I don’t have Facebook and have zero interactions with ANY of their products in my life. Google, Amazon, and Microsoft have been harder to extricate myself from. I could, but the inconvenience as a regular consumer would be quite difficult or costly. This hasn’t been the case with FB so I am in very strong agreement with the sentiment of the comment you replied to. I actually hate Facebook but am reflexively disgusted with the irrational, partisan hatred of it from people who could just delete their accounts and never interact with the company again. At worst, they still log your IP on many websites if you don’t use uBlock or something similar.
- ceejayoz 5y ago
  > At worst, they still log your IP on many websites if you don’t use uBlock or something similar. It's fairly easy to think of worse. One clear example is the fact that they've been running facial recognition on non-Facebook users in photos for years.
  - isoskeles 5y ago
    I can understand an opinion that claims this is worse, but it’s something I don’t personally care about because I don’t take many photos with people who would post them on Facebook. It also occurs in a more public setting than private internet browsing.
  - prepend 5y ago
    At this point, I’m think it’s safe to assume they every picture saved remotely is facial recognitioned. And every public photo has been processed by at least Google, Microsoft, Amazon, and Facebook. It sucks but certainly isn’t anything unique to FB. It would be weird if they didn’t run it through CV even to find stuff like dogs, babies, etc.
- tedivm 5y ago
  Irrational hatred? It's a company that literally was complacent in a genocide. The fact that I haven't logged in during several years doesn't change that. Just ignoring companies that do harm and saying you don't have to use them is one of the ways companies continue getting away with perpetuating harm.
- klyrs 5y ago
  > I don’t have Facebook and have zero interactions with ANY of their products in my life. Maybe. But if any of your friends/family is on Facebook, they may have uploaded their contacts, and you quite likely have a "shadow profile" that they're using to track you across the net. You might not know Facebook, but Facebook knows you.
  - thentherewere2 5y ago
    Is that really an issue? Its really a missing data problem. Your data is "missing" and facebook can infer with some probability you exist and the people your "shadow profile" might interact with.
    - filoleg 5y ago
      That’s pretty much all there is to it, yeah, just a missing data problem. But once you slap the “shadow profile” label on it, it gets “shady” and “scary”. A pretty cool lesson in how to make something fairly trivial and non-threatening seem scary to people. Note: not currently or in the past employed by Meta or any affiliated companies, so that’s just purely my own take.
    - klyrs 5y ago
      If six of your contacts have provided them with the same name and email address, then they know with near certainty that those six people have you as a mutual contact. When they spot an ad profile with the same email address, that comes with a dossier on your browsing and shopping habits, which are used to infer your interests etc. It's not a "missing" data problem, it's an embarrassment of data problem.
coolso 5y ago
> You need to start somewhere. Correct, and you may have noticed media and political sentiment turning hard against Facebook coincidentally overnight after it was discovered that the guy who won used it in a more “clever” manner than did the one who lost. What better place to start? Not that I’m complaining because they all need to go, but there is clear and obvious evidence as to why Facebook is facing the brunt of all of this.
- halpert 5y ago
  Who are you referring to with won and lost?
treis 5y ago
Facebook is just obviously not a monopoly. There's TikTok, Snapchat, Twitter, Reddit, and many other social networks. At least 5-10 billion dollar social networks have been created while Facebook exists. Allowing them to acquire Instagram and WhatsApp were probably not wise decisions. But it hasn't stopped others from competing
- epicide 5y ago
  Trust != monopoly, for a reason. For example, OP lists Amazon and Google as other viable targets for trust busting, yet their primary products/services also have competitors. The issue is that, while they do have competitors, the lot of them have decided to act in certain ways that are overly harmful to the consumer. Would Facebook/Google/Amazon do even more damage as a true monopoly? Of course. Should they have to get to that point before anything is done? Definitely not -- for one, they're too smart to let themselves become proper monopolies.

isoskeles 5y ago

> If they were targeting Amazon, you would probably say "Targeting Amazon and not Google or Facebook for tech monopoly is not a good luck." Nope. I don’t have Facebook and have zero interactions with ANY of their products in my life. Google, Amazon, and Microsoft have been harder to extricate myself from. I could, but the inconvenience as a regular consumer would be quite difficult or costly. This hasn’t been the case with FB so I am in very strong agreement with the sentiment of the comment you replied to. I actually hate Facebook but am reflexively disgusted with the irrational, partisan hatred of it from people who could just delete their accounts and never interact with the company again. At worst, they still log your IP on many websites if you don’t use uBlock or something similar.

ceejayoz 5y ago
> At worst, they still log your IP on many websites if you don’t use uBlock or something similar. It's fairly easy to think of worse. One clear example is the fact that they've been running facial recognition on non-Facebook users in photos for years.
- isoskeles 5y ago
  I can understand an opinion that claims this is worse, but it’s something I don’t personally care about because I don’t take many photos with people who would post them on Facebook. It also occurs in a more public setting than private internet browsing.
- prepend 5y ago
  At this point, I’m think it’s safe to assume they every picture saved remotely is facial recognitioned. And every public photo has been processed by at least Google, Microsoft, Amazon, and Facebook. It sucks but certainly isn’t anything unique to FB. It would be weird if they didn’t run it through CV even to find stuff like dogs, babies, etc.
tedivm 5y ago
Irrational hatred? It's a company that literally was complacent in a genocide. The fact that I haven't logged in during several years doesn't change that. Just ignoring companies that do harm and saying you don't have to use them is one of the ways companies continue getting away with perpetuating harm.
klyrs 5y ago
> I don’t have Facebook and have zero interactions with ANY of their products in my life. Maybe. But if any of your friends/family is on Facebook, they may have uploaded their contacts, and you quite likely have a "shadow profile" that they're using to track you across the net. You might not know Facebook, but Facebook knows you.
- thentherewere2 5y ago
  Is that really an issue? Its really a missing data problem. Your data is "missing" and facebook can infer with some probability you exist and the people your "shadow profile" might interact with.
  - filoleg 5y ago
    That’s pretty much all there is to it, yeah, just a missing data problem. But once you slap the “shadow profile” label on it, it gets “shady” and “scary”. A pretty cool lesson in how to make something fairly trivial and non-threatening seem scary to people. Note: not currently or in the past employed by Meta or any affiliated companies, so that’s just purely my own take.
  - klyrs 5y ago
    If six of your contacts have provided them with the same name and email address, then they know with near certainty that those six people have you as a mutual contact. When they spot an ad profile with the same email address, that comes with a dossier on your browsing and shopping habits, which are used to infer your interests etc. It's not a "missing" data problem, it's an embarrassment of data problem.

coolso 5y ago

> You need to start somewhere. Correct, and you may have noticed media and political sentiment turning hard against Facebook coincidentally overnight after it was discovered that the guy who won used it in a more “clever” manner than did the one who lost. What better place to start? Not that I’m complaining because they all need to go, but there is clear and obvious evidence as to why Facebook is facing the brunt of all of this.

halpert 5y ago
Who are you referring to with won and lost?

treis 5y ago

Facebook is just obviously not a monopoly. There's TikTok, Snapchat, Twitter, Reddit, and many other social networks. At least 5-10 billion dollar social networks have been created while Facebook exists. Allowing them to acquire Instagram and WhatsApp were probably not wise decisions. But it hasn't stopped others from competing

epicide 5y ago
Trust != monopoly, for a reason. For example, OP lists Amazon and Google as other viable targets for trust busting, yet their primary products/services also have competitors. The issue is that, while they do have competitors, the lot of them have decided to act in certain ways that are overly harmful to the consumer. Would Facebook/Google/Amazon do even more damage as a true monopoly? Of course. Should they have to get to that point before anything is done? Definitely not -- for one, they're too smart to let themselves become proper monopolies.