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It's on a per-case basis I think. I will call it 'ready' when I can pick up a Linux PC or a Steam Deck off of the shelf with zero fiddling, install and boot up

by Zhyl 5y ago

It's on a per-case basis I think. I will call it 'ready' when I can pick up a Linux PC or a Steam Deck off of the shelf with zero fiddling, install and boot up a {Steam, Multiplayer, Non-Steam, comes-with-own-launcher-on-PC} game without any fuss and just play. Proton has made more games playable than ever before, but there are still those that won't run [0]. EAC and Battleye have announced official support for both Linux and WINE, but still many games are unplayable due to anti-cheat not being supported for those particular games [1]. Steam Deck is coming, but is not out yet. The Steam Deck UI and SteamOS 3.0 looks like it will be a better replacement for Steam OS 1-2 and Steam Machines by an order of magnitude, but they aren't there yet [2]. Linux active users on steam are at the highest they've been since the release of proton, but still haven't pushed through 3% (and currently around 1%) [3] So all in all, all the elements are coming together and a LOT of investment is going into it. 2022 will be an exciting year for Gaming on Linux. But it isn't there yet [0] https://protondb.com https://protondb.com [1] https://areweanticheatyet.com/ https://areweanticheatyet.com/ [2] https://boilingsteam.com/steam-deck-developer-kit-impressions/ https://boilingsteam.com/steam-deck-developer-kit-impression... [3] https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Steam-Linux-December-2021 https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Steam-Li...

krastanov 5y ago
I probably mostly agree with you, but the standard you are holding Linux/Wine/Proton to in your first paragraph is definitely not met even by Windows (any version).
- Zhyl 5y ago
  I mean that's fair. I think even getting to Windows parity, warts and all, would be good.
sandworm101 5y ago
>> when I can pick up a Linux PC or a Steam Deck off of the shelf with zero fiddling, install and boot up a {Steam, Multiplayer, Non-Steam, comes-with-own-launcher-on-PC} game without any fuss and just play. That is today. Buy any linux PC from any number of vendors. Download KSP and play. Download the steam client and play Factorio. Or install wine/proton and play Subnautica. My brother owns an Xbox. He wants to play star citizen but cannot on xbox. In fact there are thousands of games that don't run on xbox. That doesn't mean that xbox isn't a fully-fledged gaming device.
- Zhyl 5y ago
  > Buy any linux PC from any number of vendors I choose Currys [0] > Download KSP and play I choose Fortnite > My brother owns an Xbox. He wants to play star citizen but cannot on xbox. In fact there are thousands of games that don't run on xbox. That doesn't mean that xbox isn't a fully-fledged gaming device. True, I guess it will be up to the gaming community as to whether Linux needs PC/Windows parity in order to be worth using or whether it can be considered its own platform which is worthwhile despite not having any of the games from the links in my above post. [0] https://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/search-keywords/xx_xx_xx_xx_xx/linux/xx-criteria.html https://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/search-keywords/xx_xx_xx_xx_xx...
  - sandworm101 5y ago
    >> it will be up to the gaming community No. It is up to gamers. I don't care about Microsoft, RockStar or PewdiePie's position on the state of linux gaming. All the matters is the people who actually play the games.
    - Zhyl 5y ago
      By "the gaming community" I mean gamers.
  - smoldesu 5y ago
    Can you pick up a new Windows machine and play my Super Tux Kart binary?
    - Zhyl 5y ago
      Seems so https://supertuxkart.net/Download https://supertuxkart.net/Download
      - smoldesu 5y ago
        then they're equal to me
2Gkashmiri 5y ago
>Valve claims enabling it for Proton is as easy as sending an email. and the megacorps can't be bothered to send and email and let users fix their bugs, be their test dummies, pay for their software in the name of chicken or egg?
bee_rider 5y ago
By that standard it will definitely never be ready. But that seems like a really specific and high bar that, for example, Windows won't ever meet. I mean, even ignoring Playstation and Switch exclusives, Windows support of, for example, 10 year old Windows games can require tweaking and fiddling.
- Dayshine 5y ago
  The whole business model of https://www.gog.com/ https://www.gog.com/ is that you can just buy old games and they work on Windows.

by Zhyl 5y ago

krastanov 5y ago

I probably mostly agree with you, but the standard you are holding Linux/Wine/Proton to in your first paragraph is definitely not met even by Windows (any version).

Zhyl 5y ago
I mean that's fair. I think even getting to Windows parity, warts and all, would be good.

sandworm101 5y ago

>> when I can pick up a Linux PC or a Steam Deck off of the shelf with zero fiddling, install and boot up a {Steam, Multiplayer, Non-Steam, comes-with-own-launcher-on-PC} game without any fuss and just play. That is today. Buy any linux PC from any number of vendors. Download KSP and play. Download the steam client and play Factorio. Or install wine/proton and play Subnautica. My brother owns an Xbox. He wants to play star citizen but cannot on xbox. In fact there are thousands of games that don't run on xbox. That doesn't mean that xbox isn't a fully-fledged gaming device.

Zhyl 5y ago
> Buy any linux PC from any number of vendors I choose Currys [0] > Download KSP and play I choose Fortnite > My brother owns an Xbox. He wants to play star citizen but cannot on xbox. In fact there are thousands of games that don't run on xbox. That doesn't mean that xbox isn't a fully-fledged gaming device. True, I guess it will be up to the gaming community as to whether Linux needs PC/Windows parity in order to be worth using or whether it can be considered its own platform which is worthwhile despite not having any of the games from the links in my above post. [0] https://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/search-keywords/xx_xx_xx_xx_xx/linux/xx-criteria.html https://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/search-keywords/xx_xx_xx_xx_xx...
- sandworm101 5y ago
  >> it will be up to the gaming community No. It is up to gamers. I don't care about Microsoft, RockStar or PewdiePie's position on the state of linux gaming. All the matters is the people who actually play the games.
  - Zhyl 5y ago
    By "the gaming community" I mean gamers.
- smoldesu 5y ago
  Can you pick up a new Windows machine and play my Super Tux Kart binary?
  - Zhyl 5y ago
    Seems so https://supertuxkart.net/Download https://supertuxkart.net/Download
    - smoldesu 5y ago
      then they're equal to me

2Gkashmiri 5y ago

>Valve claims enabling it for Proton is as easy as sending an email. and the megacorps can't be bothered to send and email and let users fix their bugs, be their test dummies, pay for their software in the name of chicken or egg?

bee_rider 5y ago

By that standard it will definitely never be ready. But that seems like a really specific and high bar that, for example, Windows won't ever meet. I mean, even ignoring Playstation and Switch exclusives, Windows support of, for example, 10 year old Windows games can require tweaking and fiddling.

Dayshine 5y ago
The whole business model of https://www.gog.com/ https://www.gog.com/ is that you can just buy old games and they work on Windows.