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I recently installed 10.10 because 10.04 does not work with Unity. The distro tries to use the nvidia open source drivers and it conflicts with the only that f

I recently installed 10.10 because 10.04 does not work with Unity. The distro tries to use the nvidia open source drivers and it conflicts with the only that fully works and is needed. I had to blacklist nouveau for it to display X. Now that I can use Unity, it is Alpha software, not even beta, the main launcher has icons witch do not display text to know what they are for, like the stupid fullscreen one that I though was like the apple resize, but it didn't work, until I finally realize that you need to click on it like an normal icon, not drag it(why then you put it in the corner instead of the main menu?) The file manager is ugly without borders and full screen while put itself behind the icon launcher. Search does not work either, it can't find my pictures or music or books unless I use the "official" folders for it I suppose(they do not find it right now). Alt-F2 and 3d cube does not work either. They copied mac without the design and aesthetics(and talent) that mac designers have. Wait for X to wayland transition to come to see new bugs coming that makes it hard for me to recommend linux to anyone for two years. Don't get me wrong, I love linux and I have been tweaking and loosing so much of my time trying to make linux work since 12 years ago, it was funny then. I don't use it in my main machine anymore, I use mac on it as it just works.

rbanffy 15y ago
> I recently installed 10.10 because 10.04 does not work with Unity. I assume you say 11.10. If not, you should try to use a newer release. > I had to blacklist nouveau for it to display X. When someone tells me they have an Nvidia board and ask for help, my first advice is to buy a decent computer and stop supporting manufacturers that don't publish free drivers (or sufficient specs so that driver writers can do their work for them). I have no respect for manufacturers like them. Seriously, stop complaining and support manufacturers that care about open source. > Now that I can use Unity, it is Alpha software Ubuntu gets unstable when major upgrades are done. Unity is receiving a huge one right now and some turbulences are to be expected. > The file manager is ugly without borders It's been acknowledged. Something that didn't work out as expected and they had to go back to older pieces for a while. > They copied mac without the design and aesthetics(and talent) that mac designers have. I have a Mac to the left of this machine and I can't see much similarity except the use of the menu on the top of the screen, which makes a lot of sense if your screen is small and much less if you have multiple big ones (much like Macs) and the window buttons to the left, which makes the transition from Macs much easier (and punishes Windows users, but, by now and after Vista, those seem to be used to if, if not anxious for some more abuse (Metro on Win8, anyone?). I'm not sure if Gnome 3 has the same menu, but it's a huge departure from the Gnome desktop we have been using since the early 2000's. > Wait for X to wayland transition to come to see new bugs coming that makes it hard for me to recommend linux to anyone for two years. I'm actually anxious to get wayland available. X has served us well for the past 20 or so years, but it's time to go forward. New bugs will manifest themselves and be corrected. In the meantime, I bet you'll still be able to use X, specially with hardware whose manufacturers will take years to come up with new drivers.
- kolektiv 15y ago
  "When someone tells me they have an Nvidia board and ask for help, my first advice is to buy a decent computer..." Wow. Do you find that many people keep listening to you after this or is this just a strategy to free your time of annoying "people"? The *nix community is generally quite friendly, but it doesn't grow faster because of statements like this. Sure, maybe it's a valid opinion but hell, at least explain why they should care!
  - rbanffy 15y ago
    > Do you find that many people keep listening to you after this or is this just a strategy to free your time of annoying "people"? Works both ways. It's good advice for one, because you really shouldn't support hardware makers that really don't care about you or the software you run. It also helps by making the more annoying people who can't be bothered to read the supported hardware list, yet ask for free support and complain driver developers are one or two generations behind Nvidia (or ATI's) employees with access to confidential information, go away. BTW, I have a T-shirt that says "no, I won't fix your computer" too. > The *nix community is generally quite friendly Indeed it is. Sometimes a friend is someone who says stuff you need to hear, even if you don't like to hear it. If you really care about your Nvidia board, please, by all means, learn everything you can about it, about driver development and help the people who give you their time for free.
- darklajid 15y ago
  Okay. Which graphic card manufacturer would you recommend? Which of your recommended solutions perform decent enough if you happen to want decent graphic performance as well. Think dual booting or using Wine to play even 1-2 year old games? Was the previous release of Ubuntu working with the exact same hardware, but a new version pushed a free graphic driver that didn't work well enough? It seemed like that to me, so why are you blaming the hardware vendor _for this case_? In an ideal world you'd be right. I support the ideology you're trying to spread. But it's totally impractical for a large number of people. Even if you don't care about gaming, chances are you got a PC off the shelf. With either a card from NVidia or AMD/ATI. Because you want to install Linux on a machine for your brother, mum, girlfriend - or that old box that is just available. Given the huge flaws with the 'bad luck with your hardware' attitude you sound like the typical zealot. Don't do that.

rbanffy 15y ago

> I recently installed 10.10 because 10.04 does not work with Unity. I assume you say 11.10. If not, you should try to use a newer release. > I had to blacklist nouveau for it to display X. When someone tells me they have an Nvidia board and ask for help, my first advice is to buy a decent computer and stop supporting manufacturers that don't publish free drivers (or sufficient specs so that driver writers can do their work for them). I have no respect for manufacturers like them. Seriously, stop complaining and support manufacturers that care about open source. > Now that I can use Unity, it is Alpha software Ubuntu gets unstable when major upgrades are done. Unity is receiving a huge one right now and some turbulences are to be expected. > The file manager is ugly without borders It's been acknowledged. Something that didn't work out as expected and they had to go back to older pieces for a while. > They copied mac without the design and aesthetics(and talent) that mac designers have. I have a Mac to the left of this machine and I can't see much similarity except the use of the menu on the top of the screen, which makes a lot of sense if your screen is small and much less if you have multiple big ones (much like Macs) and the window buttons to the left, which makes the transition from Macs much easier (and punishes Windows users, but, by now and after Vista, those seem to be used to if, if not anxious for some more abuse (Metro on Win8, anyone?). I'm not sure if Gnome 3 has the same menu, but it's a huge departure from the Gnome desktop we have been using since the early 2000's. > Wait for X to wayland transition to come to see new bugs coming that makes it hard for me to recommend linux to anyone for two years. I'm actually anxious to get wayland available. X has served us well for the past 20 or so years, but it's time to go forward. New bugs will manifest themselves and be corrected. In the meantime, I bet you'll still be able to use X, specially with hardware whose manufacturers will take years to come up with new drivers.

kolektiv 15y ago
"When someone tells me they have an Nvidia board and ask for help, my first advice is to buy a decent computer..." Wow. Do you find that many people keep listening to you after this or is this just a strategy to free your time of annoying "people"? The *nix community is generally quite friendly, but it doesn't grow faster because of statements like this. Sure, maybe it's a valid opinion but hell, at least explain why they should care!
- rbanffy 15y ago
  > Do you find that many people keep listening to you after this or is this just a strategy to free your time of annoying "people"? Works both ways. It's good advice for one, because you really shouldn't support hardware makers that really don't care about you or the software you run. It also helps by making the more annoying people who can't be bothered to read the supported hardware list, yet ask for free support and complain driver developers are one or two generations behind Nvidia (or ATI's) employees with access to confidential information, go away. BTW, I have a T-shirt that says "no, I won't fix your computer" too. > The *nix community is generally quite friendly Indeed it is. Sometimes a friend is someone who says stuff you need to hear, even if you don't like to hear it. If you really care about your Nvidia board, please, by all means, learn everything you can about it, about driver development and help the people who give you their time for free.
darklajid 15y ago
Okay. Which graphic card manufacturer would you recommend? Which of your recommended solutions perform decent enough if you happen to want decent graphic performance as well. Think dual booting or using Wine to play even 1-2 year old games? Was the previous release of Ubuntu working with the exact same hardware, but a new version pushed a free graphic driver that didn't work well enough? It seemed like that to me, so why are you blaming the hardware vendor _for this case_? In an ideal world you'd be right. I support the ideology you're trying to spread. But it's totally impractical for a large number of people. Even if you don't care about gaming, chances are you got a PC off the shelf. With either a card from NVidia or AMD/ATI. Because you want to install Linux on a machine for your brother, mum, girlfriend - or that old box that is just available. Given the huge flaws with the 'bad luck with your hardware' attitude you sound like the typical zealot. Don't do that.