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I said it's over for me. For my elderly parents or unhealthy people, it's not over.

s5300 5y ago
What do you mean by unhealthy? I have a friend, perfectly healthy, who was forced into crashing on their bike during commute in order to not get wrecked by a car. He fell & broke a few ribs & wrist, was not able to be seen for 28 hours in a major city. He’s still waiting on actual treatment (surgeries) & could/likely will have long lasting damaging from the delay. Perhaps it’s over except for our entire healthcare system has completely collapsed in the sense that it’s genuinely non-functional, except for keeping wave after wave of people, who workers already know are not leaving the hospital alive, in a bed for a few weeks. Perhaps I’m a bit angry, but I think it’s not at all considerate of your fellow citizens to say things like this - presuming you’re in the US, that is.
- Jensson 5y ago
  I think that is mostly due to USA having for profit hospitals so they don't care about who occupies the bed as long as they pay. Other countries seems to have much less hospitalisations for similar number of cases, probably because they judge that most people don't really need it so putting them in a hospital is just a waste of resources.
  - s5300 5y ago
    Keeping in mind I can always be wrong or remembering incorrectly I really thought there was some good data that came out showing that the profits made from elective surgeries that the mid to large hospitals churn out absolutely dwarfs the profits made from COVID patients. I think there were a few of the massive hospitals where COVID patients $ was near breaking even… but it just doesn’t add up. The summary was that by the end of this a good amount of hospitals will likely go under due to revenue lost from repeated cancellations of elective surgeries unless they get some form of bailout. I guess we’ll see anyways.
  - Clubber 5y ago
    >for profit hospitals Yes, this isn't in the discussion at all. Hospitals in the US do what's called stacking. Think about your calendar. Every room, every piece of equipment and every medical staff needs to have their calendar stacked with appointments, with no idle space if at all possible. They go so far as to overbook these items as well. If a resource has too much lax time, it's not used, not replenished or laid off (personnel). If a hospital doesn't have enough business to make the desirable amount of profit, it's closed. Of course from a purely business perspective, it doesn't make sense to keep these things open, especially for a once in a century pandemic. Unfortunately the government hasn't done much (if anything) to ensure we have enough medical facilities even in good times, much less have them somewhat affordable. I was hoping the pandemic would show the cracks in our medical foundation, but for the most part they have been ignored, shifting the entirety of blame to the unvaccinated. This article is about rural hospitals, but when you close a rural hospital, you overburden the nearest city hospital. https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/finance/why-rural-hospital-closures-hit-a-record-high-in-2020.html https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/finance/why-rural-hosp...

What do you mean by unhealthy? I have a friend, perfectly healthy, who was forced into crashing on their bike during commute in order to not get wrecked by a car. He fell & broke a few ribs & wrist, was not able to be seen for 28 hours in a major city. He’s still waiting on actual treatment (surgeries) & could/likely will have long lasting damaging from the delay. Perhaps it’s over except for our entire healthcare system has completely collapsed in the sense that it’s genuinely non-functional, except for keeping wave after wave of people, who workers already know are not leaving the hospital alive, in a bed for a few weeks. Perhaps I’m a bit angry, but I think it’s not at all considerate of your fellow citizens to say things like this - presuming you’re in the US, that is.

Jensson 5y ago
I think that is mostly due to USA having for profit hospitals so they don't care about who occupies the bed as long as they pay. Other countries seems to have much less hospitalisations for similar number of cases, probably because they judge that most people don't really need it so putting them in a hospital is just a waste of resources.
- s5300 5y ago
  Keeping in mind I can always be wrong or remembering incorrectly I really thought there was some good data that came out showing that the profits made from elective surgeries that the mid to large hospitals churn out absolutely dwarfs the profits made from COVID patients. I think there were a few of the massive hospitals where COVID patients $ was near breaking even… but it just doesn’t add up. The summary was that by the end of this a good amount of hospitals will likely go under due to revenue lost from repeated cancellations of elective surgeries unless they get some form of bailout. I guess we’ll see anyways.
- Clubber 5y ago
  >for profit hospitals Yes, this isn't in the discussion at all. Hospitals in the US do what's called stacking. Think about your calendar. Every room, every piece of equipment and every medical staff needs to have their calendar stacked with appointments, with no idle space if at all possible. They go so far as to overbook these items as well. If a resource has too much lax time, it's not used, not replenished or laid off (personnel). If a hospital doesn't have enough business to make the desirable amount of profit, it's closed. Of course from a purely business perspective, it doesn't make sense to keep these things open, especially for a once in a century pandemic. Unfortunately the government hasn't done much (if anything) to ensure we have enough medical facilities even in good times, much less have them somewhat affordable. I was hoping the pandemic would show the cracks in our medical foundation, but for the most part they have been ignored, shifting the entirety of blame to the unvaccinated. This article is about rural hospitals, but when you close a rural hospital, you overburden the nearest city hospital. https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/finance/why-rural-hospital-closures-hit-a-record-high-in-2020.html https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/finance/why-rural-hosp...