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I, and many people I know, are of similar thinking. I’m actively recovering from what appears to be Omicron. I cannot A/B test my experience as an unvaccinated

I, and many people I know, are of similar thinking. I’m actively recovering from what appears to be Omicron. I cannot A/B test my experience as an unvaccinated person, but it feels like a light seasonal cold. We don’t get time back. IMO I want my life and city back.

alisonkisk 5y ago
So there are actual stats on hospitalizations and deaths. Omicron is less severe, but also more widespread, so the overall effect is as bad as delta and alpha.
- jameskilton 5y ago
  One should also caveat here that unvaccinated are far and above the ones ending up hospitalized, and dying, with Omicron. Those who are vaccinated and hospitalized very often have other underlying conditions that Omicron is exacerbating. Everyone else who is vaccinated is just getting sick, like a strong flu or cold. GET VACCINATED. At this point, it's the only way this pandemic will end.
  - mythrwy 5y ago
    I didn't know the unvaccinated were dying of Omicron. The things you learn on hacker news.
    - rolha-capoeira 5y ago
      Not defending the original comment because no source was provided, but I didn't know this was up for debate. It stands to reason. Now, how much more unvax vs vax are dying could be debated, but to say they are dying at the same rate would be to claim that the vaccine has no affect whatsoever.
      - jonhohle 5y ago
        I would take that bet.
  - dham 5y ago
    Get vaccinated yes, but that's not how the pandemic will end. It will end when most people have had this thing. Essentially it's probably over now but the media is going to hold on to it for a little while longer.
- jonhohle 5y ago
  I’m not sure why you think that or what data you are looking at, but current daily reported case count is 3x the same time last year (250k vs 800k) while reported deaths are half (4K vs 1.6k).
  - rolha-capoeira 5y ago
    Isn't that what they said? Less severe, more widespread.
    - jonhohle 5y ago
      > so the overall effect is as bad as delta and alpha I took the overall effect to mean deaths. Based on CDC statements, it seems like they are finally trying to divide hospitalized “from” vs. “with”. I’d expect a more contagious variant to show up more in hospitals for people who have come for unrelated reasons.
  - cableshaft 5y ago
    But hospitalizations are higher than last year's winter peak, so hospitals are still slammed (not everywhere, but in a lot of places). Also there's been a lot of doctors and nurses that have left the profession this past year from burnout (and not enough people champing at the bit to take their place...for obvious reasons) so many places were short-staffed to begin with.
  - dwaltrip 5y ago
    Omicron does seems to be less severe. But don't forget deaths are a lagging indicator. They usually trail case counts by a few weeks.
- gitanovic 5y ago
  Not according to the data I saw, and for sure not in the countries I spend most of my time...
gitanovic 5y ago
Same here, I don't care about numbers and statistics any more. I want my life back NOW I've had more than enough with 8 quarantines, and all of us already had COVID, we are vaccinated, and we are FED UP with rules and restrictions It is pointless to be alive and well if you are not allowed to enjoy life
- cableshaft 5y ago
  Where do you live that there are still any restrictions really worth a damn? In the US about the only thing I'm aware of is vaccination mandates for certain jobs and activities and indoor masking in certain states. Otherwise you can do pretty much whatever you could before the pandemic. Indoor dining, bars, theaters, gyms, flights, cruises, sporting events, offices for work, whatever. Unless, of course, the business is short staffed and has to close for a while, which is not a "rule and restriction" but a fact of life right now, which doesn't go away just because you or the government wills it to be so.
  - gitanovic 5y ago
    I live in Germany, and the problem is a bit more subtle. At the moment is the 2g+ regulation, which basically means the if you are twice vaccinated of recovered + 1 vaccine dose you need to do a test every 24h to have a social life. Tests are free, but you have to queue outside and spend time to get them. Tests are not needed if you "boosted", i.e. if you had a 3rd dose (or second if you had only one), or as in my case you also recovered despite having 2 doses. Also there is a social craziness, where schools can close because there are cases, kindergartens also can close etc. and there are limits in the number of people can enter a venue, you have to book everything online, and there are very few places always fully booked... this de facto limits your life quite a lot. All this despite the numbers are comparable with a seasonal flu
acdha 5y ago
> I cannot A/B test my experience as an unvaccinated person, but it feels like a light seasonal cold. I think that's a key point and it really needs to be frankly communicated that way: vaccination mandates are what makes it safe enough to re-open safely. The U.S. has relatively low vaccination rates thanks to a well-funded political movement but as soon as there are personal consequences for those decisions most people do the right thing.

alisonkisk 5y ago

So there are actual stats on hospitalizations and deaths. Omicron is less severe, but also more widespread, so the overall effect is as bad as delta and alpha.

jameskilton 5y ago
One should also caveat here that unvaccinated are far and above the ones ending up hospitalized, and dying, with Omicron. Those who are vaccinated and hospitalized very often have other underlying conditions that Omicron is exacerbating. Everyone else who is vaccinated is just getting sick, like a strong flu or cold. GET VACCINATED. At this point, it's the only way this pandemic will end.
- mythrwy 5y ago
  I didn't know the unvaccinated were dying of Omicron. The things you learn on hacker news.
  - rolha-capoeira 5y ago
    Not defending the original comment because no source was provided, but I didn't know this was up for debate. It stands to reason. Now, how much more unvax vs vax are dying could be debated, but to say they are dying at the same rate would be to claim that the vaccine has no affect whatsoever.
    - jonhohle 5y ago
      I would take that bet.
- dham 5y ago
  Get vaccinated yes, but that's not how the pandemic will end. It will end when most people have had this thing. Essentially it's probably over now but the media is going to hold on to it for a little while longer.
jonhohle 5y ago
I’m not sure why you think that or what data you are looking at, but current daily reported case count is 3x the same time last year (250k vs 800k) while reported deaths are half (4K vs 1.6k).
- rolha-capoeira 5y ago
  Isn't that what they said? Less severe, more widespread.
  - jonhohle 5y ago
    > so the overall effect is as bad as delta and alpha I took the overall effect to mean deaths. Based on CDC statements, it seems like they are finally trying to divide hospitalized “from” vs. “with”. I’d expect a more contagious variant to show up more in hospitals for people who have come for unrelated reasons.
- cableshaft 5y ago
  But hospitalizations are higher than last year's winter peak, so hospitals are still slammed (not everywhere, but in a lot of places). Also there's been a lot of doctors and nurses that have left the profession this past year from burnout (and not enough people champing at the bit to take their place...for obvious reasons) so many places were short-staffed to begin with.
- dwaltrip 5y ago
  Omicron does seems to be less severe. But don't forget deaths are a lagging indicator. They usually trail case counts by a few weeks.
gitanovic 5y ago
Not according to the data I saw, and for sure not in the countries I spend most of my time...

gitanovic 5y ago

Same here, I don't care about numbers and statistics any more. I want my life back NOW I've had more than enough with 8 quarantines, and all of us already had COVID, we are vaccinated, and we are FED UP with rules and restrictions It is pointless to be alive and well if you are not allowed to enjoy life

cableshaft 5y ago
Where do you live that there are still any restrictions really worth a damn? In the US about the only thing I'm aware of is vaccination mandates for certain jobs and activities and indoor masking in certain states. Otherwise you can do pretty much whatever you could before the pandemic. Indoor dining, bars, theaters, gyms, flights, cruises, sporting events, offices for work, whatever. Unless, of course, the business is short staffed and has to close for a while, which is not a "rule and restriction" but a fact of life right now, which doesn't go away just because you or the government wills it to be so.
- gitanovic 5y ago
  I live in Germany, and the problem is a bit more subtle. At the moment is the 2g+ regulation, which basically means the if you are twice vaccinated of recovered + 1 vaccine dose you need to do a test every 24h to have a social life. Tests are free, but you have to queue outside and spend time to get them. Tests are not needed if you "boosted", i.e. if you had a 3rd dose (or second if you had only one), or as in my case you also recovered despite having 2 doses. Also there is a social craziness, where schools can close because there are cases, kindergartens also can close etc. and there are limits in the number of people can enter a venue, you have to book everything online, and there are very few places always fully booked... this de facto limits your life quite a lot. All this despite the numbers are comparable with a seasonal flu

acdha 5y ago

> I cannot A/B test my experience as an unvaccinated person, but it feels like a light seasonal cold. I think that's a key point and it really needs to be frankly communicated that way: vaccination mandates are what makes it safe enough to re-open safely. The U.S. has relatively low vaccination rates thanks to a well-funded political movement but as soon as there are personal consequences for those decisions most people do the right thing.