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I'm sorry on what planet do you live? Up to the point of food (and probably after) I was thinking you were being ironic, but though HN are reputed for humor, co

I'm sorry on what planet do you live? Up to the point of food (and probably after) I was thinking you were being ironic, but though HN are reputed for humor, could you not humour me and explain why food prices would skyrocket? Basic foodstuffs are cheap, even in Switzerland, 500g of good cheap brown bread at Migros cost 1$... noone is taking noones savings away, according to google Switzerland spent almost 17B$supporting the swiss franc in 2021... yes the common joke is swiss are apoplectic at having to stop work (thereby dying of appendicitis?) however reality is they have one of the highest suicide rates currently , due to burnout? and imo are a society where fear of the future is one prevalently to keep (people)change in check...

0xffff2 5y ago
If everyone "takes a break", then how does your average city dweller acquire food? The naieve reading of the phrase "why not take a break" would imply that no one is staffing the supermarkets, no one is driving trucks to deliver food to supermarkets, no one is farming at commercial scale, etc. Perhaps you need more specificity in what "take a break" means.
DanBC 5y ago
> however reality is they have one of the highest suicide rates currently Where are you getting your Swiss suicide statistics from please? How are you de-coupling assisted deaths from other suicide?
kragen 5y ago
I live on Earth, you're ignoring my questions, and I'm flagging your post. Try to do better.
- screenbreakout 5y ago
  Flag? Really... that's mean :-) but here goes I'll try to answer your questions/concerns and those of 0xfff2 in one go "You mean, nobody work for a year?" Yes, to the extent they want to do something why not look at it and see if it's usefull, helpful, or just using their time and polluting the environment? Once the obligation to go to work goes away, habits, needs, wants, perspective change "Everyone in a nursing home would be dead after a few days," this statement I don't understand, I've been in EMS's as the french speakers call them.... and beyond having a high cost, many of those old people could be adequately cared for at home...or use a helper occasionally in a much more efficient/economical manner "No food would be planted or harvested, so even when the truckers and supermarket workers began to work again the starvation would not end" Figures say ...? 6% of imports are food and beverages..., when people have time they cook, so use of basic foodstuffs would go up, that of expensive, overly packaged foodstuffs (dissapear) one would hope, I answered this question inasmuch as pointing out food in general is cheap... Switzerland is currently sitting on a huge amount of wealth that is stuck in real estate, pressure for an appreciating CHf (on which they are using debt to counter more than 2k per Swiss person) "no one is staffing the supermarkets, no one is driving trucks to deliver food to supermarkets, no one is farming at commercial scale" Open markets are a thing, self driving trucks too, automatic check outs ...vending machines...as for commercial farming it's gotten out of hand... I studied horticulture and personally avoid supermarket food in Switzerland, it's tastless, expensive and in many cases over packaged... come to Eastern Europe...for flavour, If people were to have more free time, don't you think, the great outside , gardening, cooking and sharing good food would be one of their préoccupations? A simple google search turns up "It has one of the highest sucide rates in Europe, in 2014, 1,029 people committed non-assisted suicide (754 men, 275 women), for a rate of 12.5 per 100,000 (18.5 male, 6.6 female). Not included are 742 assisted suicides (320 men, 422 women); most of the assisted suicides concerned elderly people suffering from a terminal disease." Tldr I understand the misgivings my "naive" statements produce, but plead for people to open their minds to other potential lifestyles that could really help combat CC...
  - kragen 5y ago
    Yes, I do think gardening would be a leisure activity many people would enjoy if they had more free time, but the difference between leisure gardening and what you seem to be suggesting --- subsistence farming --- is enormously greater than you are imagining, even though you have studied horticulture. Your fundamental error is that you think food, medical care, etc., are bought with money. In fact, they are bought with labor, natural resources ("land"), and capital goods, all three of which are necessary. Money is just a consensual hallucination, a board game people play to allocate the labor and food and so on. If nobody is laboring, there will be no production, so money can only buy things which have already been produced. Food will stop being cheap immediately if it is not being produced.

0xffff2 5y ago

If everyone "takes a break", then how does your average city dweller acquire food? The naieve reading of the phrase "why not take a break" would imply that no one is staffing the supermarkets, no one is driving trucks to deliver food to supermarkets, no one is farming at commercial scale, etc. Perhaps you need more specificity in what "take a break" means.

DanBC 5y ago

> however reality is they have one of the highest suicide rates currently Where are you getting your Swiss suicide statistics from please? How are you de-coupling assisted deaths from other suicide?

kragen 5y ago

I live on Earth, you're ignoring my questions, and I'm flagging your post. Try to do better.

screenbreakout 5y ago
Flag? Really... that's mean :-) but here goes I'll try to answer your questions/concerns and those of 0xfff2 in one go "You mean, nobody work for a year?" Yes, to the extent they want to do something why not look at it and see if it's usefull, helpful, or just using their time and polluting the environment? Once the obligation to go to work goes away, habits, needs, wants, perspective change "Everyone in a nursing home would be dead after a few days," this statement I don't understand, I've been in EMS's as the french speakers call them.... and beyond having a high cost, many of those old people could be adequately cared for at home...or use a helper occasionally in a much more efficient/economical manner "No food would be planted or harvested, so even when the truckers and supermarket workers began to work again the starvation would not end" Figures say ...? 6% of imports are food and beverages..., when people have time they cook, so use of basic foodstuffs would go up, that of expensive, overly packaged foodstuffs (dissapear) one would hope, I answered this question inasmuch as pointing out food in general is cheap... Switzerland is currently sitting on a huge amount of wealth that is stuck in real estate, pressure for an appreciating CHf (on which they are using debt to counter more than 2k per Swiss person) "no one is staffing the supermarkets, no one is driving trucks to deliver food to supermarkets, no one is farming at commercial scale" Open markets are a thing, self driving trucks too, automatic check outs ...vending machines...as for commercial farming it's gotten out of hand... I studied horticulture and personally avoid supermarket food in Switzerland, it's tastless, expensive and in many cases over packaged... come to Eastern Europe...for flavour, If people were to have more free time, don't you think, the great outside , gardening, cooking and sharing good food would be one of their préoccupations? A simple google search turns up "It has one of the highest sucide rates in Europe, in 2014, 1,029 people committed non-assisted suicide (754 men, 275 women), for a rate of 12.5 per 100,000 (18.5 male, 6.6 female). Not included are 742 assisted suicides (320 men, 422 women); most of the assisted suicides concerned elderly people suffering from a terminal disease." Tldr I understand the misgivings my "naive" statements produce, but plead for people to open their minds to other potential lifestyles that could really help combat CC...
- kragen 5y ago
  Yes, I do think gardening would be a leisure activity many people would enjoy if they had more free time, but the difference between leisure gardening and what you seem to be suggesting --- subsistence farming --- is enormously greater than you are imagining, even though you have studied horticulture. Your fundamental error is that you think food, medical care, etc., are bought with money. In fact, they are bought with labor, natural resources ("land"), and capital goods, all three of which are necessary. Money is just a consensual hallucination, a board game people play to allocate the labor and food and so on. If nobody is laboring, there will be no production, so money can only buy things which have already been produced. Food will stop being cheap immediately if it is not being produced.