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What scary about this idea to me, is that it opens the door to false flag operations. A bad actor that wants to hobble free speech and communication could floo

What scary about this idea to me, is that it opens the door to false flag operations. A bad actor that wants to hobble free speech and communication could flood a system with illegal, antisemitic speech, and then turn around and use that speech that they are spreading as a justification to have the communication platform taken down.

captainmuon 5y ago
You don't even need false flag operations. Real COVID-deniers and Nazis are damn convenient if you want to ban telegram. They are also convenient if you want to prevent more strict COVID measures in order to "save the economy". Or to get everybody infected in a semi-controlled manner so you can "return back to normal". Or if you want to close the borders and restrict immigration. A lot of these people who think they are very edgy, critical and radical are just being played by the establishment.
ChuckNorris89 5y ago
>What scary about this idea to me, is that it opens the door to false flag operations. Yeah, the German police/state is not new to this. There are always reports that the German police in plain clothes infiltrate protest groups and start throwing rocks at the riot police in uniforms, in order to justify police intervention by force to break up the protest.
Arnt 5y ago
Well, almost, but the difference is significant. Only one Telegram feature is mentioned in the source documents I've read, namely public searchable groups. I've heard that people in the ministries and agencies worry that nazis can recruit e.g. by searching for groups where people worry about this or that threat to nature, then joining and gradually trying to turn conversation towards threats to the Homeland. That kind of thing. A communication platform doesn't have to have that. Signal has groups, but you can't search for and join a group except by knowing a person in the group. Facebok has groups too, and some of those are (rumour has it) used/mentioned like the Telegram ones. I don't understand why the general media talk about "encrypted messenger service" when the source documents focus on a single feature that is essentially unencrypted, because public and searchable.

captainmuon 5y ago

You don't even need false flag operations. Real COVID-deniers and Nazis are damn convenient if you want to ban telegram. They are also convenient if you want to prevent more strict COVID measures in order to "save the economy". Or to get everybody infected in a semi-controlled manner so you can "return back to normal". Or if you want to close the borders and restrict immigration. A lot of these people who think they are very edgy, critical and radical are just being played by the establishment.

ChuckNorris89 5y ago

>What scary about this idea to me, is that it opens the door to false flag operations. Yeah, the German police/state is not new to this. There are always reports that the German police in plain clothes infiltrate protest groups and start throwing rocks at the riot police in uniforms, in order to justify police intervention by force to break up the protest.

Arnt 5y ago

Well, almost, but the difference is significant. Only one Telegram feature is mentioned in the source documents I've read, namely public searchable groups. I've heard that people in the ministries and agencies worry that nazis can recruit e.g. by searching for groups where people worry about this or that threat to nature, then joining and gradually trying to turn conversation towards threats to the Homeland. That kind of thing. A communication platform doesn't have to have that. Signal has groups, but you can't search for and join a group except by knowing a person in the group. Facebok has groups too, and some of those are (rumour has it) used/mentioned like the Telegram ones. I don't understand why the general media talk about "encrypted messenger service" when the source documents focus on a single feature that is essentially unencrypted, because public and searchable.