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Not just Germany, a lot of very respectable publications are worried about Telegram: > White supremacists openly organize racist violence on Telegram, report f

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Not just Germany, a lot of very respectable publications are worried about Telegram: > White supremacists openly organize racist violence on Telegram, report finds https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/26/tech/white-supremacists-telegram-racism-intl/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/26/tech/white-supremacists-t... > Are Private Messaging Apps the Next Misinformation Hot Spot? Telegram and Signal, the encrypted services that keep conversations confidential, are increasingly popular. Our tech columnists discuss whether this could get ugly. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/03/technology/personaltech/telegram-signal-misinformation.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/03/technology/personaltech/t... > A report this week found that the messaging app had emerged as a central hub for several conspiracy movements espousing antisemitic tropes and memes, including QAnon, as well as others on the extreme right promoting violence. https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/01/15/parler-telegram-chat-apps/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/01/15/parler-... > Far-right groups move online conversations from social media to chat apps — and out of view of law enforcement https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/oct/14/telegram-warned-of-nurturing-subculture-deifying-terrorists https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/oct/14/telegram-war... > In collaboration with anti-fascist research group the White Rose Society, the Guardian has tracked McLean’s activity through the rabbit warren of largely unregulated Telegram groups and found that he describes a vastly different version of his intentions. https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/mar/26/where-freedom-meets-the-far-right-the-hate-messages-infiltrating-australian-anti-lockdown-protests https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/mar/26/where... > Why right-wing extremists’ favorite new platform is so dangerous. Telegram’s lax content moderation and encrypted chats make it a convenient tool for extremists. https://www.vox.com/recode/22238755/telegram-messaging-social-media-extremists https://www.vox.com/recode/22238755/telegram-messaging-socia...

larryflint 5y ago
0x_rs 5y ago
But none of the links you provided make an argument against Telegram itself, and you wouldn't find one anywhere. Encryption is free, and so is the ability to use any platform or communication method. It's pointless to argue against "lax content moderation", or "trendy radicalization platform of the month".. but I would expect no less from a website such as Vox. Perhaps those complaining currently about it in Germany may consider spending their time more wisely tackling the societal issues that cause such phenomena?
rvz 5y ago
So we should ban anything that these 'white supremacists', 'right-wing extremists' or 'conspiracy movements' are using, even if it is end-to-end encryption which can be used by anybody? Does that mean we should we ban encryption in general because the same so-called 'Nazis' can also use something like Signal for secure communications? No. Why? Simply because not only it is free to use, but the roads to hell are paved with good intentions. This is what these 'journalists' from these publications fail to highlight each time privacy or free software supporters build tools that can also be used by terrorists and extremists. Like one of the comments, the links provided make no argument against Telegram or similar tools like Telegram itself. The responses of these editors in those links towards mentioning a tool used for good now being abused by malicious users is highly predictable, repetitive and at most unsurprising.
lamp987 5y ago
>a lot of very respectable publications >links CNN, Guardian and Vox

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larryflint 5y ago

0x_rs 5y ago

But none of the links you provided make an argument against Telegram itself, and you wouldn't find one anywhere. Encryption is free, and so is the ability to use any platform or communication method. It's pointless to argue against "lax content moderation", or "trendy radicalization platform of the month".. but I would expect no less from a website such as Vox. Perhaps those complaining currently about it in Germany may consider spending their time more wisely tackling the societal issues that cause such phenomena?

rvz 5y ago

So we should ban anything that these 'white supremacists', 'right-wing extremists' or 'conspiracy movements' are using, even if it is end-to-end encryption which can be used by anybody? Does that mean we should we ban encryption in general because the same so-called 'Nazis' can also use something like Signal for secure communications? No. Why? Simply because not only it is free to use, but the roads to hell are paved with good intentions. This is what these 'journalists' from these publications fail to highlight each time privacy or free software supporters build tools that can also be used by terrorists and extremists. Like one of the comments, the links provided make no argument against Telegram or similar tools like Telegram itself. The responses of these editors in those links towards mentioning a tool used for good now being abused by malicious users is highly predictable, repetitive and at most unsurprising.

lamp987 5y ago

>a lot of very respectable publications >links CNN, Guardian and Vox