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Readers beware: Don't get fooled by this comment. These "Spaziergänge" are an unholy mixture of racists, anti-democratic groups, anti-vaxxers and lots more. T

Readers beware: Don't get fooled by this comment. These "Spaziergänge" are an unholy mixture of racists, anti-democratic groups, anti-vaxxers and lots more. The far right has found "new friends" in the people critizing the Covid rules of the government. They are now marching side by side, obviously trying to make their far right positions look "not that bad" by blending in with the others. Yesterday they were marching against immigration, today it's Covid. edit: Oh, and they are organizing and spreading misinformation via Telegram. Also there's your obligatory dose of self-justice and murder calls against politicians involved.

orbifold 5y ago
The answer to that is to counterorganise, civil disruption of their protests by other members of society, not repression by the government.
- BurningPenguin 5y ago
  Generally yes, but once certain people get violent or disobey specific rules, it is the job of the government to stop that. Otherwise things escalate badly.
  - orbifold 5y ago
    Sure but that doesn't include shutting down Telegram. It is easy enough to infiltrate those groups and keep them under surveillance. You can do very basic police work to counter act them.
    - BurningPenguin 5y ago
      Shutting down is the last resort. If Telegram wants to continue operation, they have to comply to the local laws. Infiltration also isn't as easy as it sounds. They can use that as a defense. Which actually happend several years ago. They failed to get rid of the NPD, a Neo-Nazi party, because they couldn't be sure if their plans were legit. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Democratic_Party_of_Germany#2001%E2%80%932003_banning_attempt https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Democratic_Party_of_G... Getting a company to obey the law is probably easier.
mantas 5y ago
The main thing that makes „far right“ look not that bad is downplaying the term. Now it's super easy to become neonazi/far right/fascist/antivax and whatnot. But once you get called names once and the world doesn't stop... Stigma is gone and then good luck trying to establish that this position is just a little bit wrong, but THAT is truly bad.
fileeditview 5y ago
Not agreeing with your world view does not make people "an unholy mixture of racists, anti-democratic groups, anti-vaxxers and lots more". You just show your ignorance and the lack of accepting a difference in opinion.
- BurningPenguin 5y ago
  They have people running around with "Reichsflagge". There are people from 3. Weg, a known Neo-Nazi party. There are people from AfD, another Ultra-Conservative right extremist party. There are people from "Die Basis", a party full of Nazis and conspiracy nutjobs. There are people holding anti-vaxx signs. They are calling to bring in children as human shields. They are calling for disassembly of the government. But sure, it's just a "difference in opinion".
  - fileeditview 5y ago
    You make it sound as if this was the majority but it is not by a long shot.
    - BurningPenguin 5y ago
      Every legitimate protest throws those kind of people out. They don't. You may want to ask them why. Funnily enough many of those "protests" are organized by known extremists or those party members.
      - fileeditview 5y ago
        Is it defined by you who is allowed to participate and what makes a protest legitimate? If people there make illegal actions, the police has to intervene. That's it.
        BurningPenguin 5y ago
        Every protest has someone organizing it. It is their job to distance themselves from certain groups and to send them off. And if those groups don't comply, the police is happy to help. But instead of doing that, they happily walk side by side with those groups and participate in protests that are organized by those. They want to be accepted by the majority? Then they need to stop walking with literal Nazis.

orbifold 5y ago

The answer to that is to counterorganise, civil disruption of their protests by other members of society, not repression by the government.

BurningPenguin 5y ago
Generally yes, but once certain people get violent or disobey specific rules, it is the job of the government to stop that. Otherwise things escalate badly.
- orbifold 5y ago
  Sure but that doesn't include shutting down Telegram. It is easy enough to infiltrate those groups and keep them under surveillance. You can do very basic police work to counter act them.
  - BurningPenguin 5y ago
    Shutting down is the last resort. If Telegram wants to continue operation, they have to comply to the local laws. Infiltration also isn't as easy as it sounds. They can use that as a defense. Which actually happend several years ago. They failed to get rid of the NPD, a Neo-Nazi party, because they couldn't be sure if their plans were legit. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Democratic_Party_of_Germany#2001%E2%80%932003_banning_attempt https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Democratic_Party_of_G... Getting a company to obey the law is probably easier.

mantas 5y ago

The main thing that makes „far right“ look not that bad is downplaying the term. Now it's super easy to become neonazi/far right/fascist/antivax and whatnot. But once you get called names once and the world doesn't stop... Stigma is gone and then good luck trying to establish that this position is just a little bit wrong, but THAT is truly bad.

fileeditview 5y ago

Not agreeing with your world view does not make people "an unholy mixture of racists, anti-democratic groups, anti-vaxxers and lots more". You just show your ignorance and the lack of accepting a difference in opinion.

BurningPenguin 5y ago
They have people running around with "Reichsflagge". There are people from 3. Weg, a known Neo-Nazi party. There are people from AfD, another Ultra-Conservative right extremist party. There are people from "Die Basis", a party full of Nazis and conspiracy nutjobs. There are people holding anti-vaxx signs. They are calling to bring in children as human shields. They are calling for disassembly of the government. But sure, it's just a "difference in opinion".
- fileeditview 5y ago
  You make it sound as if this was the majority but it is not by a long shot.
  - BurningPenguin 5y ago
    Every legitimate protest throws those kind of people out. They don't. You may want to ask them why. Funnily enough many of those "protests" are organized by known extremists or those party members.
    - fileeditview 5y ago
      Is it defined by you who is allowed to participate and what makes a protest legitimate? If people there make illegal actions, the police has to intervene. That's it.
      - BurningPenguin 5y ago
        Every protest has someone organizing it. It is their job to distance themselves from certain groups and to send them off. And if those groups don't comply, the police is happy to help. But instead of doing that, they happily walk side by side with those groups and participate in protests that are organized by those. They want to be accepted by the majority? Then they need to stop walking with literal Nazis.