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Yes, but there's limits - like similar interests in extremism, calls to violence, assassination plots...

by lima 5y ago

iqanq 5y ago
Everybody wants to be the one who decides what is extreme and what is mainstream so they can silence and ostracise those who don't think the way they do.
- YXNjaGVyZWdlbgo 5y ago
  We made the decision because the law is not a arbitrary thing it gets implemented because of what is written in our constitution and by law makers that we voted into place. If you want to change the law do it politically and get a majority like we did with cannabis and stop rambling about "freedoms" on the internet.
  - amadeuspagel 5y ago
    > stop rambling about "freedoms" To ramble about something means to talk about it in a confused way. If you find something specific confusing about the way the parent comment talks about "freedoms", maybe you should point that out. (Of course the parent comment doesn't talk about "freedoms" at all, confused or not.)
    - YXNjaGVyZWdlbgo 5y ago
      > Everybody wants to be the one who decides what is extreme and what is mainstream so they can silence and ostracise those who don't think the way they do. Not everybody in the world wants to be the one who decides what is extreme or mainstream. He fears to be silenced and ostracized or that his right to free speech will be suppressed. That all because there could be a possibility that a for-profit company gets forbidden that is not complying with the laws of the country it itself is operating in. This is rambling.
- lima 5y ago
  It's a fine line, and it's why a functioning democracy and judicial system is so important in finding the right balance (and ensuring there's public oversight[2]). One of the most important values in German politics is the concept of "wehrhafte Demokratie"[1], essentially, the idea that Germany can't ever again let the democratic system be defeated by populists, even a majority. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defensive_democracy#Germany https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defensive_democracy#Germany [2]: Personally, I'm not a fan of having underpaid teams of "content moderators" in charge of deciding what constitutes acceptable public discourse precisely because there's insufficient democratic oversight. It's also a horrible, psychologically taxing job. It's a hard problem that won't be solved by ignoring it.
larryflint 5y ago
Applejinx 5y ago
And this is in Germany. They have seen extremism and calls to violence. I can't think of any nation with more of a right—even a duty—to manage its society and prevent society-level mass crimes.
- Thiez 5y ago
  That's a strange thing to say. Are you suggesting that the German people are especially vulnerable to committing society-level mass crimes (compared to other nationalities) and thus have a duty (to who?) to be extra vigilant and tough on themselves?
orbifold 5y ago
Arguably in a well run society those groups would have so little power / influence that they wouldn’t be limited by how well they are able to communicate privately. The student protests in the 70s and coocurring terror campaign was not happening in a vacuum but because former Nazis had been part of all aspects of post-war Germany and young people were not having it.

Yes, but there's limits - like similar interests in extremism, calls to violence, assassination plots...

by lima 5y ago

Yes, but there's limits - like similar interests in extremism, calls to violence, assassination plots...

Everybody wants to be the one who decides what is extreme and what is mainstream so they can silence and ostracise those who don't think the way they do.

YXNjaGVyZWdlbgo 5y ago
We made the decision because the law is not a arbitrary thing it gets implemented because of what is written in our constitution and by law makers that we voted into place. If you want to change the law do it politically and get a majority like we did with cannabis and stop rambling about "freedoms" on the internet.
- amadeuspagel 5y ago
  > stop rambling about "freedoms" To ramble about something means to talk about it in a confused way. If you find something specific confusing about the way the parent comment talks about "freedoms", maybe you should point that out. (Of course the parent comment doesn't talk about "freedoms" at all, confused or not.)
  - YXNjaGVyZWdlbgo 5y ago
    > Everybody wants to be the one who decides what is extreme and what is mainstream so they can silence and ostracise those who don't think the way they do. Not everybody in the world wants to be the one who decides what is extreme or mainstream. He fears to be silenced and ostracized or that his right to free speech will be suppressed. That all because there could be a possibility that a for-profit company gets forbidden that is not complying with the laws of the country it itself is operating in. This is rambling.
lima 5y ago
It's a fine line, and it's why a functioning democracy and judicial system is so important in finding the right balance (and ensuring there's public oversight[2]). One of the most important values in German politics is the concept of "wehrhafte Demokratie"[1], essentially, the idea that Germany can't ever again let the democratic system be defeated by populists, even a majority. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defensive_democracy#Germany https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defensive_democracy#Germany [2]: Personally, I'm not a fan of having underpaid teams of "content moderators" in charge of deciding what constitutes acceptable public discourse precisely because there's insufficient democratic oversight. It's also a horrible, psychologically taxing job. It's a hard problem that won't be solved by ignoring it.

larryflint 5y ago

Applejinx 5y ago

And this is in Germany. They have seen extremism and calls to violence. I can't think of any nation with more of a right—even a duty—to manage its society and prevent society-level mass crimes.

Thiez 5y ago
That's a strange thing to say. Are you suggesting that the German people are especially vulnerable to committing society-level mass crimes (compared to other nationalities) and thus have a duty (to who?) to be extra vigilant and tough on themselves?

orbifold 5y ago

Arguably in a well run society those groups would have so little power / influence that they wouldn’t be limited by how well they are able to communicate privately. The student protests in the 70s and coocurring terror campaign was not happening in a vacuum but because former Nazis had been part of all aspects of post-war Germany and young people were not having it.