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anything else other than those 2? An idea that .Net started, could be good could be bad, but the .Net association isn't added credibility. async/await aren't k

by nsonha 5y ago

anything else other than those 2? An idea that .Net started, could be good could be bad, but the .Net association isn't added credibility. async/await aren't keywords in F# and kotlin

afavour 5y ago
> anything other than those two? Rust?
- nsonha 5y ago
  I was arguing that languages are following the "add async/await" trend recently, including rust. That other comment brought up that it exists in C# for a long time, hence not a recent trend.
  - dharmaturtle 5y ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Async/await#History https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Async/await#History F# in 2007 C# in 2012 Python in 2015 Typescript in 2015 Javascript in 2017 Rust in 2019 C++ in 2020 Swift in 2021
    - sideeffffect 5y ago
      I'm almost sure that Haskell has had its "do notation" even before 2007. And maybe even Scala its "for comprehension".
      - dharmaturtle 5y ago
        Yeah - I was limiting my post to explicit async/await. Don Syme, creator of F#, had a nice thread on the roots of async/await, though it doesn't mention do-notation: https://mobile.twitter.com/dsymetweets/status/1407400817917939713 https://mobile.twitter.com/dsymetweets/status/14074008179179... I'm still annoyed that most other languages stole async/await... but not the more general monadic/do notation. Instead we get elvis operators, chaining functions, etc.
        sideeffffect 5y ago
        F#'s "Computation expressions" are the same sort of thing as the mentioned Haskell's "do notation" and Scala's "for comprehension". They're just thin syntactic sugar for "callbacks" -- chaining maps/binds/flatmaps/etc. Even though F#'s "Computation expressions" are very cleverly thought out and more general. https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/fsharp/language-reference/computation-expressions https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/fsharp/language-refe... Async/await for example in C# or Rust is different. This translates the program into transition automata/coroutines.
    - nsonha 5y ago
      in F# it's an instance of computational expression, not keywords. So it's really only C# that added the keywords, and other languages followed suit since 2015. None of the functional languages have async/await as keywords

by nsonha 5y ago

anything else other than those 2? An idea that .Net started, could be good could be bad, but the .Net association isn't added credibility. async/await aren't keywords in F# and kotlin

afavour 5y ago

> anything other than those two? Rust?

nsonha 5y ago
I was arguing that languages are following the "add async/await" trend recently, including rust. That other comment brought up that it exists in C# for a long time, hence not a recent trend.
- dharmaturtle 5y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Async/await#History https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Async/await#History F# in 2007 C# in 2012 Python in 2015 Typescript in 2015 Javascript in 2017 Rust in 2019 C++ in 2020 Swift in 2021
  - sideeffffect 5y ago
    I'm almost sure that Haskell has had its "do notation" even before 2007. And maybe even Scala its "for comprehension".
    - dharmaturtle 5y ago
      Yeah - I was limiting my post to explicit async/await. Don Syme, creator of F#, had a nice thread on the roots of async/await, though it doesn't mention do-notation: https://mobile.twitter.com/dsymetweets/status/1407400817917939713 https://mobile.twitter.com/dsymetweets/status/14074008179179... I'm still annoyed that most other languages stole async/await... but not the more general monadic/do notation. Instead we get elvis operators, chaining functions, etc.
      - sideeffffect 5y ago
        F#'s "Computation expressions" are the same sort of thing as the mentioned Haskell's "do notation" and Scala's "for comprehension". They're just thin syntactic sugar for "callbacks" -- chaining maps/binds/flatmaps/etc. Even though F#'s "Computation expressions" are very cleverly thought out and more general. https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/fsharp/language-reference/computation-expressions https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/fsharp/language-refe... Async/await for example in C# or Rust is different. This translates the program into transition automata/coroutines.
  - nsonha 5y ago
    in F# it's an instance of computational expression, not keywords. So it's really only C# that added the keywords, and other languages followed suit since 2015. None of the functional languages have async/await as keywords