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YouTube is major conduit of fake news, factcheckers say
- refurb 5y agoBy fact checkers you mean what? People at the media orgs?
- giuliomagnifico 5y agoNo > A letter signed by more than 80 groups, including Full Fact in the UK and the Washington Post’s Fact Checker
- refurb 5y agoWhat do you mean “no”. It’s literally the media? The people who publish lies have now nominated themselves “fact checkers”. That’s ironic.
- muzika 5y ago100%. Note that what what these groups call “facts” is what we have historically have been calling opinion. They don’t try to fact check things like the color of grass, numbers of moons that Saturn has, or the molecular formula of water. Facebook literally refers to fact-checker statements as “opinions” in their legal terminology.
- boppo1 5y ago> Facebook literally refers to fact-checker statements as “opinions” in their legal terminology. I believe this, but do you have a link? I'd love to show my family this.
- Clubber 5y agohttps://nypost.com/2021/12/14/facebook-admits-the-truth-fact-checks-are-really-just-lefty-opinion/ https://nypost.com/2021/12/14/facebook-admits-the-truth-fact... https://nypost.com/2021/12/13/facebook-bizarrely-claims-its-misquote-is-opinion/ https://nypost.com/2021/12/13/facebook-bizarrely-claims-its-...
- giuliomagnifico 5y agoOh sorry I read ‘media ongs’ instead of ‘media orgs’ in your first reply. For that I replied “no”. There’re no ONG, but yes, obviously there’re also media companies but not only. By the way they are all members of the Fact-Checking Network (IFCN). This is the original article: https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2022/youtube-misinformation-fact-checking-letter/ https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2022/youtube-misinform... Anyway there are
- refurb 5y agoHey thanks for the reply. May want to call your doc for possible stroke.
- giuliomagnifico 5y agoAhah, will do, my optometrist I think!
- refurb 5y agoSorry for the asshole reply, but appreciate the response! It’s all good.
- stupidworld 5y agoof course. Somehow same companies dont see all the get rich quick scheme ads on their platforms.
- christmm 5y ago
- Nginx487 5y agoYes, and the main source of lies called RT exist absolutely officially, spreading Goebbels-style national hatred and crazy anti-vax disinformation.
- christmm 5y ago
- movomito 5y agoOnce again fact checkers state the obvious.
- megumax 5y agoSo these "factcheckers" are literally the media aka the propaganda machine. I wonder if that's the future we want, a future only politically correct opinions are accepted, otherwise you're called a liar and you lose social points. It doesn't sound like democracy, but who knows.
- maest 5y agoYou may be conflating "false information" with "politically incorrect statements".
- megumax 5y agoI'm not an American, but these "fact checks" are not really based on actual facts, but mostly on "correct" opinions. For example, https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/01/06/january-6-attack-capitol-guide-what-we-now-know/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/01/06/january-6... or https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/11/04/bidens-claim-that-nobel-winners-say-his-plan-would-reduce-inflation/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/11/04/bidens-cl...
- marginalia_nu 5y agoThe whole notion of facts is problematic. Facts are, from a epistemological point of view, things as they are. We do not have access to facts about the physical world, science does not produce such facts. Empirical science is a process that asymptotically approximates facts by eliminating false propositions.
- YXNjaGVyZWdlbgo 5y agoIf I take 200mg of cyanid I am dead that's a fact.
- marginalia_nu 5y agoThat is a true statement, but it is not a fact in the epistemological sense. When we say a statement is true, what we mean is that the statement agrees with the facts. Or flipped around: The facts are the things that true statements correspond to, the things in themselves.
- muzika 5y agoIf they ban YouTube channels that have been shown to be spreading “misinformation” then we should also ban private news organizations when they are caught spreading politically motivated misinformation. They are no different except that people in general know to be skeptical of YouTube videos, while trusting reporting of mainstream media to be truthful. Every single time mainstream media has reported on an incident that I myself was very familiar with they have ALWAYS misreported it.
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- user3939382 5y agoIn Stossel v. Meta Platforms, Inc. et al, Facebook says its “fact checks” are opinion. I wouldn’t be surprised to hear Google’s lawyers characterize theirs in the same way. I don’t give someone’s opinion more weight because they call themselves a fact checker. The “truth” (i.e. “facts”) is often complicated and subjective, especially in politics. The lack of compassion for other peoples’ perspectives that underlies this whole “disinformation” movement lately is sad.
- intended 5y agoFact checkers being called opinion in a legal argument is very different from what they deal with in the real world. No one is using legal arguments when they spread things like vaccine denial. Those are things that fact checkers are used to Combat.
- zthrowaway 5y agoFake news, a.k.a. information and opinions we don’t like and that go against our narrative.
- intended 5y ago> The letter from the factcheckers, who challenge claims made by domestic governments, online posts and media organisations, states that YouTube’s failure to tackle disinformation and misinformation is especially marked in the global south, a term that refers to nations in Latin America, Asia and Africa. Frances Haugen, the Facebook whistleblower, has referred repeatedly to concerns over safety controls in non-English language markets as a key factor in her decision to go public about problems at the social media company. >The signatories, who include factchecking groups in India, Nigeria, the Philippines and Colombia, include examples of false content about the reign of the former Filipino president Ferdinand Marcos – whose son is running for office – and the amplification of hate speech against vulnerable groups in Brazil. >The signatories are from more than 40 countries with a range of funding backgrounds. They include: Full Fact, a UK charity, Washington Post Fact Checker, funded by the eponymous newspaper, Spain’s Maldita, a factchecking foundation; and India Today, a unit within the privately owned TV Today Network. The effort of getting misinformation tackled in the global south is incredibly hard. Especially with the prevalence of things like WhatsApp which don’t have a public facing stream to be examined.
- egberts1 5y agoSo sayth the factcheckers who outed themselves … repeatedly.
- rebhan 5y agowho checks the fact checker ? what about freedom of speech ? this sucks !
- MichaelRazum 5y agoIn Germany YouTube banned the channel achgut.com which kind of does solid work, although providing some alternative views. They lost in court (as far as I know multiple times), but they are not afraid of banning since the penalties are rather small. https://www.achgut.com/artikel/youtube_verliert_erneut_gegen_die_achse_des_guten https://www.achgut.com/artikel/youtube_verliert_erneut_gegen...
- pcdoodle 5y agoWhat's next? Factcheckers probing religion? Give it a break. No one has the absolute truth. How about a film for my window: "That is not a car jacking outside, fact checkers say".
- peakaboo 5y agoThank god we have these fact checkers now, otherwise we would actually have to use our own judgement as adults, and we all know where that leads - people coming to the "wrong" conclusions!
- naasking 5y agoThis just in, mainstream media and cable news also a major conduit of fake news, fact checkers don't want to admit.