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If EPA regulations stood in the way of saving a million lives a year, yeah it would be a bad way to develop new technologies. We know humans are terrible driver

If EPA regulations stood in the way of saving a million lives a year, yeah it would be a bad way to develop new technologies. We know humans are terrible drivers leading to countless tragedies. Tesla FSD is far from working at the moment, nobody is claiming otherwise. But it requires a human supervisor, and this is enforced by a driver facing camera. That combination likely makes it safer than the average driver already today. What I'm seeing is that Tesla's appraoch, fleet learning, is likely to accelerate the advent of L4. If Tesla can solve this using the existing cheap camera sensors, they can scale this out incredibly fast. This year they are likely to produce upwards of 2 million vehicles, and by 2025 it's likely close to 6-7 million. Even if other self-driving solutions get there first, they have no way of reaching Tesla's scale as they need specialized sensors and partnerships with OEMs etc. Consider the possibility that I'm right. By stoking fears and getting FSD banned or delayed, many lives would be lost in the name of safety, when there has been no fatality recorded on FSD.

arcticbull 5y ago
If saving lives were paramount would we not just be advocating for more trains? I think this is simply a cost-saving measure. They have not developed a sufficiently reliable system, they are marketing it as though it is, and putting it on the road. I strongly suspect that they do not in fact require more data to perfect this system - I suspect they need more sensors. If they do need more data, they're free to obtain it otherwise. Autopilot has tried to murder me a few times lol.
jjav 5y ago
> What I'm seeing is that Tesla's appraoch, fleet learning I don't want to see that experimental learning happening on public roads which are shared by people who are not willing participants in the experiment. Every time a Tesla crashes into a barrier killing the driver that is sad, but at least they chose that fate so ok. When Teslas cause damage to other cars or humans who didn't want to be part of the alpha program, that's criminal.

arcticbull 5y ago

If saving lives were paramount would we not just be advocating for more trains? I think this is simply a cost-saving measure. They have not developed a sufficiently reliable system, they are marketing it as though it is, and putting it on the road. I strongly suspect that they do not in fact require more data to perfect this system - I suspect they need more sensors. If they do need more data, they're free to obtain it otherwise. Autopilot has tried to murder me a few times lol.

jjav 5y ago

> What I'm seeing is that Tesla's appraoch, fleet learning I don't want to see that experimental learning happening on public roads which are shared by people who are not willing participants in the experiment. Every time a Tesla crashes into a barrier killing the driver that is sad, but at least they chose that fate so ok. When Teslas cause damage to other cars or humans who didn't want to be part of the alpha program, that's criminal.