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Wholeheartedly agree. I don't give much weight to the negativity on HN anymore. VR bad, crypto bad, Tesla bad, autonomous vehicles bad, billionaires in space ba

Wholeheartedly agree. I don't give much weight to the negativity on HN anymore. VR bad, crypto bad, Tesla bad, autonomous vehicles bad, billionaires in space bad. To me it's pretty clear that Tesla's audatiousness in pushing FSD could move up the advent of L4 by years, possibly saving hundreds of thousands of lives, for very little downside. In fact, I believe human+FSD is already safer on average, just due to the fact that FSD requires the driver to watch the road.

Pyramus 5y ago
> In fact, I believe human+FSD is already safer on average, just due to the fact that FSD requires the driver to watch the road. Are you saying that 'Full Self Driving' is safer because it is not full self driving?
- martindbp 5y ago
  Yes, the combination of FSD and human may be safer. Deploying it at scale allows Tesla to accelerate the progress towards true FSD, at which point humans would not have to pay attention.
sidibe 5y ago
> To me it's pretty clear that Tesla's audatiousness in pushing FSD could move up the advent of L4 by years, possibly saving hundreds of thousands of lives, for very little downside. In fact, I believe human+FSD is already safer on average, just due to the fact that FSD requires the driver to watch the road. I have no idea why that's clear to you. Seems to me from the FSD Beta videos that not only Tesla isn't in the same ballpark yet as the companies that are going for offering geofenced L4, but it doesn't seem to be improving much. Then there's the fact they've handcuffed themselves by widely promising/releasing the product with the hardware customers already have.
erulabs 5y ago
It’s genuinely some new form of conservatism. Imagine if the phone phreakers had stopped and given up “because someone might get hurt”. Imagine a hacker forum in the 80s cheering on the FCC. To be clear I don’t care about Tesla here - just the attitude of my peers. I want my culture back.

Pyramus 5y ago

> In fact, I believe human+FSD is already safer on average, just due to the fact that FSD requires the driver to watch the road. Are you saying that 'Full Self Driving' is safer because it is not full self driving?

martindbp 5y ago
Yes, the combination of FSD and human may be safer. Deploying it at scale allows Tesla to accelerate the progress towards true FSD, at which point humans would not have to pay attention.

sidibe 5y ago

> To me it's pretty clear that Tesla's audatiousness in pushing FSD could move up the advent of L4 by years, possibly saving hundreds of thousands of lives, for very little downside. In fact, I believe human+FSD is already safer on average, just due to the fact that FSD requires the driver to watch the road. I have no idea why that's clear to you. Seems to me from the FSD Beta videos that not only Tesla isn't in the same ballpark yet as the companies that are going for offering geofenced L4, but it doesn't seem to be improving much. Then there's the fact they've handcuffed themselves by widely promising/releasing the product with the hardware customers already have.

erulabs 5y ago

It’s genuinely some new form of conservatism. Imagine if the phone phreakers had stopped and given up “because someone might get hurt”. Imagine a hacker forum in the 80s cheering on the FCC. To be clear I don’t care about Tesla here - just the attitude of my peers. I want my culture back.