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I think its both valuable and important to recognize that the climate change is inevitable so that we can stop talking about how we might prevent it, and start

I think its both valuable and important to recognize that the climate change is inevitable so that we can stop talking about how we might prevent it, and start talking about how we can sustain our civilization regardless of the weather. (How would we sustain ourselves if we lived in a satellite orbiting the sun?) I also think neither democracy or capitalism is well equipped to ask people to make large sacrifices for the benefit of future generations. I think we should stop talking about people making sacrifices, and put effort into engineering our way out of this problem.

screenbreakout 5y ago
I'm certain, that more refined forms of democracy and capitalism would be well adapted to help find solutions to CC, structurally though things are very (too) slow to change and few people have a more holistic view Ultimately it took a external event like Covid to shake things up and show the way...ie less work, less consumerism, less flying and polluting Cruise ships... but the machine/auto industry continues to dominate, as do inefficient work practices which just serve to feed the bank accounts of the middle class.... I'm currently in Egypt living on 300$ a month, learning arabic and enjoying life... why freeze yourself/heat the planet, instead of WFH or not at all a few hundred miles south... people are dumb and the internet is generally making them dumber The Shallows: What the Internet is Doing to Our Brains, by Oliver Carr https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sortition#:~:text=In%20governance%2C%20sortition%20(also%20known,a%20larger%20pool%20of%20candidates https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sortition#:~:text=In%20gover....
deanCommie 5y ago
This is an incredibly new development and is based entirely on prosperity. For most of history of democracy and capitalism, individuals made altruistic choices for their own future generations - not for humanity, but for their own children. It's only during the post-war boom (and only in the countries that were undamaged by the war) did automatic prosperity become the ubiquitous expectation. And even in that context, immigrant parents made similar sacrifices.

screenbreakout 5y ago

I'm certain, that more refined forms of democracy and capitalism would be well adapted to help find solutions to CC, structurally though things are very (too) slow to change and few people have a more holistic view Ultimately it took a external event like Covid to shake things up and show the way...ie less work, less consumerism, less flying and polluting Cruise ships... but the machine/auto industry continues to dominate, as do inefficient work practices which just serve to feed the bank accounts of the middle class.... I'm currently in Egypt living on 300$ a month, learning arabic and enjoying life... why freeze yourself/heat the planet, instead of WFH or not at all a few hundred miles south... people are dumb and the internet is generally making them dumber The Shallows: What the Internet is Doing to Our Brains, by Oliver Carr https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sortition#:~:text=In%20governance%2C%20sortition%20(also%20known,a%20larger%20pool%20of%20candidates https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sortition#:~:text=In%20gover....

deanCommie 5y ago

This is an incredibly new development and is based entirely on prosperity. For most of history of democracy and capitalism, individuals made altruistic choices for their own future generations - not for humanity, but for their own children. It's only during the post-war boom (and only in the countries that were undamaged by the war) did automatic prosperity become the ubiquitous expectation. And even in that context, immigrant parents made similar sacrifices.