> In the past IT people, whether we're talking about programmers or something else, where very clever people. I've been in and around this industry for a long

> In the past IT people, whether we're talking about programmers or something else, where very clever people. I've been in and around this industry for a long time and that's not exactly the way I remember it. (To clarify, of course there were clever people, but also a whole lot of otherwise).