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There are countless other methods for communicating by text on all of these devices and I think it's a hard sell to call not being able to see emoji reactions f

There are countless other methods for communicating by text on all of these devices and I think it's a hard sell to call not being able to see emoji reactions from iphone users on android "monopolistic".

kennywinker 5y ago
> There are countless other methods for communicating by text on all of these devices And only one of them (the one made by the platform vendor) can degrade to using the sms service that the hardware is capable of and I pay my carrier for.
- lp0_on_fire 5y ago
  There are many apps that can support sms on android and it's been pointed out several times in this thread that iMessage can be turned off in the Apple settings app if you prefer not to use that protocol. With that setting toggled off the iphone will use SMS exclusively. Nobody is forcing you to use this.
  - kennywinker 5y ago
    On the contrary - if I want to use sms apple is forcing me to use THEIR app for it. Which means that if I want to use say whatsapp + sms i have to swap back and forth between apps - while if I want to use imessage + sms i can do that all in one app. Sms being the common language for all phone messaging means apple has clearly used their leverage as platform vendor to advantage their app - it’s the only one that also speaks sms.
    - azinman2 5y ago
      On Android, can WhatsApp do SMS? At least previously any app could interface with SMS on Android. Few countries (only the US? Canada?) actually have any real social usage of SMS at this point. That’s becoming increasingly the case in the US as well, Apple/iMessage aside. Everyone else has picked an app instead (usually given an effectively local monopoly to an every changing array of owners over the last 20 years). That’s true even on Android without this SMS gatekeeping status that you speak of. Given the world is majority android, and the lack of SMS/RCS leading to any kind of decentralization, your argument doesn’t seem to have much merit that opening up iMessage would usher in a new decentralized era.
      - sudosysgen 5y ago
        Multiple apps can do SMS on Android. For example, FB Messenger and Signal can do it. WhatsApp can't and won't, because using SMS would break multiplatform compatibility.

kennywinker 5y ago

> There are countless other methods for communicating by text on all of these devices And only one of them (the one made by the platform vendor) can degrade to using the sms service that the hardware is capable of and I pay my carrier for.

lp0_on_fire 5y ago
There are many apps that can support sms on android and it's been pointed out several times in this thread that iMessage can be turned off in the Apple settings app if you prefer not to use that protocol. With that setting toggled off the iphone will use SMS exclusively. Nobody is forcing you to use this.
- kennywinker 5y ago
  On the contrary - if I want to use sms apple is forcing me to use THEIR app for it. Which means that if I want to use say whatsapp + sms i have to swap back and forth between apps - while if I want to use imessage + sms i can do that all in one app. Sms being the common language for all phone messaging means apple has clearly used their leverage as platform vendor to advantage their app - it’s the only one that also speaks sms.
  - azinman2 5y ago
    On Android, can WhatsApp do SMS? At least previously any app could interface with SMS on Android. Few countries (only the US? Canada?) actually have any real social usage of SMS at this point. That’s becoming increasingly the case in the US as well, Apple/iMessage aside. Everyone else has picked an app instead (usually given an effectively local monopoly to an every changing array of owners over the last 20 years). That’s true even on Android without this SMS gatekeeping status that you speak of. Given the world is majority android, and the lack of SMS/RCS leading to any kind of decentralization, your argument doesn’t seem to have much merit that opening up iMessage would usher in a new decentralized era.
    - sudosysgen 5y ago
      Multiple apps can do SMS on Android. For example, FB Messenger and Signal can do it. WhatsApp can't and won't, because using SMS would break multiplatform compatibility.