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what's the better standard? RCS is trash. Google is literally pulling a "think of the children" campaign when the children don't even care what anyone is using

what's the better standard? RCS is trash. Google is literally pulling a "think of the children" campaign when the children don't even care what anyone is using because they're all on snapchat, whatsapp, and everything else.

partiallypro 5y ago
> Google is literally pulling a "think of the children" campaign when the children don't even care what anyone is using because they're all on snapchat, whatsapp, and everything else. Except stats don't back up what you are saying, at least not in the US. RCS is no less trash than SMS, it's actually an improvement over SMS. They could come together, along with carriers, to create an even better standard but one party is holding out...and blocking any innovation (hint, it's Apple.) I don't get how people are ok with them hijacking an open standard.
- threeseed 5y ago
  Actually the issue is with carriers. They don't want features like end to end encryption because it relegates them to being a dumb pipe and limits their ability to innovate e.g. parsing SMS messages for advertising purposes. Also many carriers are closely tied to governments who want to be able to monitor communication. I've worked for a number of telcos over the years and can assure you that they don't have the interest of users at heart.
  - kitsunesoba 5y ago
    This isn’t emphasized enough. The carriers should have no more say in what comes to replace SMS than ISPs do. As such, RCS isn’t the answer simply because the carriers were involved. SMS’ successor should basically be a vendor agnostic WhatsApp or Signal complete with E2E built into the base spec instead of duct taped on as an extension that can conveniently be ignored.
    - Wowfunhappy 5y ago
      > SMS’ successor should basically be a vendor agnostic WhatsApp or Signal complete with E2E built into the base spec instead of duct taped on as an extension that can conveniently be ignored. Great. Build something, then call me when you have the default messaging app on board on every platform save one. From my perspective, RCS has the best shot at this and the perfect shouldn't be the enemy of the good.
- iamtheworstdev 5y ago
  better than SMS is an extremely low bar. RCS is not better than iMessage. Simplest point - RCS isn't going to be received by all of my devices. It's only going to be received by my phone. That feature is one of the biggest selling points of iMessage.
  - kcb 5y ago
    Apple can support iMessage and RCS and SMS at the same time. They have the ability.
    - iamtheworstdev 5y ago
      but they have no need. literally no one is running around saying "we want RCS"
      - kcb 5y ago
        we want RCS
        iamtheworstdev 5y ago
        are you a google developer? ;-)
cwkoss 5y ago
An open standard would be better. Google should be able to follow apple's specification to add the additional features, and when apple updates the standard, Android texts turn green until the update is pushed.

partiallypro 5y ago

> Google is literally pulling a "think of the children" campaign when the children don't even care what anyone is using because they're all on snapchat, whatsapp, and everything else. Except stats don't back up what you are saying, at least not in the US. RCS is no less trash than SMS, it's actually an improvement over SMS. They could come together, along with carriers, to create an even better standard but one party is holding out...and blocking any innovation (hint, it's Apple.) I don't get how people are ok with them hijacking an open standard.

threeseed 5y ago
Actually the issue is with carriers. They don't want features like end to end encryption because it relegates them to being a dumb pipe and limits their ability to innovate e.g. parsing SMS messages for advertising purposes. Also many carriers are closely tied to governments who want to be able to monitor communication. I've worked for a number of telcos over the years and can assure you that they don't have the interest of users at heart.
- kitsunesoba 5y ago
  This isn’t emphasized enough. The carriers should have no more say in what comes to replace SMS than ISPs do. As such, RCS isn’t the answer simply because the carriers were involved. SMS’ successor should basically be a vendor agnostic WhatsApp or Signal complete with E2E built into the base spec instead of duct taped on as an extension that can conveniently be ignored.
  - Wowfunhappy 5y ago
    > SMS’ successor should basically be a vendor agnostic WhatsApp or Signal complete with E2E built into the base spec instead of duct taped on as an extension that can conveniently be ignored. Great. Build something, then call me when you have the default messaging app on board on every platform save one. From my perspective, RCS has the best shot at this and the perfect shouldn't be the enemy of the good.
iamtheworstdev 5y ago
better than SMS is an extremely low bar. RCS is not better than iMessage. Simplest point - RCS isn't going to be received by all of my devices. It's only going to be received by my phone. That feature is one of the biggest selling points of iMessage.
- kcb 5y ago
  Apple can support iMessage and RCS and SMS at the same time. They have the ability.
  - iamtheworstdev 5y ago
    but they have no need. literally no one is running around saying "we want RCS"
    - kcb 5y ago
      we want RCS
      - iamtheworstdev 5y ago
        are you a google developer? ;-)

cwkoss 5y ago

An open standard would be better. Google should be able to follow apple's specification to add the additional features, and when apple updates the standard, Android texts turn green until the update is pushed.