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I think people strangely confuse competition with monopoly nowadays. The point of competition is to drive people to use your product because it’s superior. That

I think people strangely confuse competition with monopoly nowadays. The point of competition is to drive people to use your product because it’s superior. That’s the whole benefit. Apple provides a competitive messaging service and others can provide alternatives if they think they can do better in some way. The point of monopoly is to crush competition. Apple isn’t stopping Google from developing a better messaging service. Honestly, they should put more thought into developing features than bashing competition on Twitter.

makeitdouble 5y ago
Except Apple is highjacking your phone number and won't let it go without a fight. Is it also how competition works to you ?
- ubermonkey 5y ago
  You're going to need a cite here. This WAS an issue, but articles abound today from carriers and Apple on how to remove a phone number from the iMessage service.
  - makeitdouble 5y ago
    I stand corrected on the deregistration issue (I also thought it was fairly recent, but apparently it's from 2014, Apple just didn't make much noise about it https://www.theverge.com/2014/11/9/7183507/apple-tool-deregister-imessage-phone-numbers-released https://www.theverge.com/2014/11/9/7183507/apple-tool-deregi... )
- threeseed 5y ago
  > Except Apple is highjacking your phone number and won't let it go without a fight You know you can just disable iMessage and then the service is not used.
- Terretta 5y ago
  Fact Check: Apple does not hijack or intercept SMS messages. Apple respects the delivery label(s) you put on your Apple Messages. The messages people say are hijacked are from other Messages users, sent to an individual's Messages label that happens to look like their phone number. This label can also look like an arbitrary email address of choice that does not even have to be your Apple ID. Anyone using SMS can SMS your number on your new phone, since SMS is not being hijacked, and Apple is not intercepting SMS to do anything with it. If you don't want Apple friends using that label that looks like your number to reach your remaining Apple devices (a normal use case!), then remove the label yourself before ditching your iPhone: - https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201349 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201349 - https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT203042 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT203042 Or, remove it yourself after: - https://selfsolve.apple.com/deregister-imessage/ https://selfsolve.apple.com/deregister-imessage/
  - makeitdouble 5y ago
    > an individual's Messages label that happens to look like their phone number. So it looks like your phone number, but isn't. Have fun explaining that to any random trying to message you at your phone number. > then remove the label yourself before ditching your iPhone First: thanks for the link, I genuinely didn't know Apple added a service to deregister. It took them so long. Then, you still have a flurry of issues if you want to keep iMessage for some people on your iPad or Mac for instance, but switch to an android phone. You can deregister the number, but contacts that were using your email in iMessage (so "the label that looks like your email but actually isn't") and try to just send a message to "you" (your name in the "To" field) will send an iMessage when every party involved really wants an SMS to be sent. I think you'll blame the user for not understanding the situation, that what worked before won't anymore, and they should either realize your phone is not on the "blue bubbles" anymore and they need to force "green bubbles" even if they're sending messages to seemingly the same person using the same app. And they propably will need to do that at every message until they realize they need to recreate a new thread, explicitely with your phone number this time.
    - kergonath 5y ago
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- kergonath 5y ago
  > Except Apple is highjacking your phone number It is not. It creates an account on their platform, with the phone number as an identifier. It does not interfere with SMS routing in any way. This bullshit is already all over the thread, has been corrected countless times, and is plain wrong.
thathndude 5y ago
Maybe if Google wasn’t constantly shuttering and moving its messaging products (many of which I’ve used over the years) we might get somewhere. This feels like grade-A whining.

makeitdouble 5y ago

Except Apple is highjacking your phone number and won't let it go without a fight. Is it also how competition works to you ?

ubermonkey 5y ago
You're going to need a cite here. This WAS an issue, but articles abound today from carriers and Apple on how to remove a phone number from the iMessage service.
- makeitdouble 5y ago
  I stand corrected on the deregistration issue (I also thought it was fairly recent, but apparently it's from 2014, Apple just didn't make much noise about it https://www.theverge.com/2014/11/9/7183507/apple-tool-deregister-imessage-phone-numbers-released https://www.theverge.com/2014/11/9/7183507/apple-tool-deregi... )
threeseed 5y ago
> Except Apple is highjacking your phone number and won't let it go without a fight You know you can just disable iMessage and then the service is not used.
Terretta 5y ago
Fact Check: Apple does not hijack or intercept SMS messages. Apple respects the delivery label(s) you put on your Apple Messages. The messages people say are hijacked are from other Messages users, sent to an individual's Messages label that happens to look like their phone number. This label can also look like an arbitrary email address of choice that does not even have to be your Apple ID. Anyone using SMS can SMS your number on your new phone, since SMS is not being hijacked, and Apple is not intercepting SMS to do anything with it. If you don't want Apple friends using that label that looks like your number to reach your remaining Apple devices (a normal use case!), then remove the label yourself before ditching your iPhone: - https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201349 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201349 - https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT203042 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT203042 Or, remove it yourself after: - https://selfsolve.apple.com/deregister-imessage/ https://selfsolve.apple.com/deregister-imessage/
- makeitdouble 5y ago
  > an individual's Messages label that happens to look like their phone number. So it looks like your phone number, but isn't. Have fun explaining that to any random trying to message you at your phone number. > then remove the label yourself before ditching your iPhone First: thanks for the link, I genuinely didn't know Apple added a service to deregister. It took them so long. Then, you still have a flurry of issues if you want to keep iMessage for some people on your iPad or Mac for instance, but switch to an android phone. You can deregister the number, but contacts that were using your email in iMessage (so "the label that looks like your email but actually isn't") and try to just send a message to "you" (your name in the "To" field) will send an iMessage when every party involved really wants an SMS to be sent. I think you'll blame the user for not understanding the situation, that what worked before won't anymore, and they should either realize your phone is not on the "blue bubbles" anymore and they need to force "green bubbles" even if they're sending messages to seemingly the same person using the same app. And they propably will need to do that at every message until they realize they need to recreate a new thread, explicitely with your phone number this time.
  - kergonath 5y ago
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kergonath 5y ago
> Except Apple is highjacking your phone number It is not. It creates an account on their platform, with the phone number as an identifier. It does not interfere with SMS routing in any way. This bullshit is already all over the thread, has been corrected countless times, and is plain wrong.

thathndude 5y ago

Maybe if Google wasn’t constantly shuttering and moving its messaging products (many of which I’ve used over the years) we might get somewhere. This feels like grade-A whining.