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> The global war on terror was a complete and total success. I look forward to solving it domestically as well. Given historical evidence, there's a chance it

> The global war on terror was a complete and total success. I look forward to solving it domestically as well. Given historical evidence, there's a chance it will actually be successful, as it was done in the past. After the Oklahoma City bombing the FBI went after the far-right militia movement, and clamped down on it. * https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/since-oklahoma-city-extremist-groups-wane-but-remain-threats/ https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/since-oklahoma-cit... * https://www.vox.com/2016/1/5/10712084/oregon-militia-history-experts https://www.vox.com/2016/1/5/10712084/oregon-militia-history... * https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-usa-militias-timeline-idUKTRE63R4M420100428 https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-usa-militias-timeline-idU...

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notch656a 5y ago
Is there something illegal about being far-right or being in a militia? How about we just clamp down on anyone doing bad things (including day-care bomber McVeigh), rather than going after people for their political beliefs. You sound like you're advocating for domestic terrorism yourself if you want people with guns to go after those of your chosen political target merely exercising 1A and 2A rights.
- lokar 5y ago
  Every state has laws making it illegal to be a member of a private armed militia
  - notch656a 5y ago
    10 U.S. Code § 246 - Militia: composition and classes The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard. Most military age males are in a militia. >Every state has laws Ignoring the fact that not all states have laws that specifically ban militias in general (just certain use of them), why on earth would DoJ (federal gov) be enforcing state law? What FEDERAL law bans organizations of men, already part of militia by US Code, from fraternizing together?
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    - lokar 5y ago
      https://www.law.georgetown.edu/icap/wp-content/uploads/sites/32/2020/09/California.pdf https://www.law.georgetown.edu/icap/wp-content/uploads/sites...
      - notch656a 5y ago
        The paper you say just say the law prohibits militias "from engaging in activities reserved for the state militia, including law enforcement activities. Some, including California, also prohibit paramilitary activity during or in furtherance of a civil disorder." Then it goes on to cite the California misdemeanor for doing so, in state law. Why would DoJ (feds) be investigating misdemeanor state law in California?
        lokar 5y ago
        I did not mean to imply they should. Rather to refute the common view that self organized private militias are allowed or even somehow encouraged and have some kind of official status.
        notch656a 5y ago
        The source provided by throw0101a shows that 21 states allow organization of private military unit without any authorization of state government at all. The 'common view' that they are 'allowed' seems to be rooted in reality. https://www.law.georgetown.edu/icap/wp-content/uploads/sites/32/2018/04/Prohibiting-Private-Armies-at-Public-Rallies.pdf https://www.law.georgetown.edu/icap/wp-content/uploads/sites...
    - throw0101a 5y ago
      > This report identifies, for each of the 50 states, the constitutional and statutory provisions relevant to paramilitary and private militia activity. Importantly, each state has at least one constitutional or statutory provision that applies to the type of paramilitary and private militia activity that may arise at future rallies similar to the Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville. > ICAP has categorized the relevant state laws into four groups: (1) constitutional provisions requiring the subordination of the military to civilian authorities; (2) statutes restricting unauthorized private militia activity; (3) anti-paramilitary-activity criminal laws; and (4) prohibitions on the false assumption of the uniform or duties of a peace officer or member of the military. The report describes these categories in more detail below and notes which states have statutes or constitutional provisions falling into each category. Following that summary is a chart listing each state’s relevant provisions, and finally each constitutional or statutory provision in full, organized by state. The chart also includes annotations of relevant case law. * https://www.law.georgetown.edu/icap/wp-content/uploads/sites/32/2018/04/Prohibiting-Private-Armies-at-Public-Rallies.pdf https://www.law.georgetown.edu/icap/wp-content/uploads/sites...
- throw0101a 5y ago
  > Is there something illegal about being far-right or being in a militia? If they are participating in domestic terrorism, which is defined as (18 USC § 2331(5)) > activities that (A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the U.S. or of any state; (B) appear to be intended (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and (C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the U.S. * https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2331 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2331 I'm not aware of (m)any active (far-)left militias in recent years, though in the past there were some, e.g.: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weather_Underground https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weather_Underground

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notch656a 5y ago

Is there something illegal about being far-right or being in a militia? How about we just clamp down on anyone doing bad things (including day-care bomber McVeigh), rather than going after people for their political beliefs. You sound like you're advocating for domestic terrorism yourself if you want people with guns to go after those of your chosen political target merely exercising 1A and 2A rights.

lokar 5y ago
Every state has laws making it illegal to be a member of a private armed militia
- notch656a 5y ago
  10 U.S. Code § 246 - Militia: composition and classes The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard. Most military age males are in a militia. >Every state has laws Ignoring the fact that not all states have laws that specifically ban militias in general (just certain use of them), why on earth would DoJ (federal gov) be enforcing state law? What FEDERAL law bans organizations of men, already part of militia by US Code, from fraternizing together?
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  - lokar 5y ago
    https://www.law.georgetown.edu/icap/wp-content/uploads/sites/32/2020/09/California.pdf https://www.law.georgetown.edu/icap/wp-content/uploads/sites...
    - notch656a 5y ago
      The paper you say just say the law prohibits militias "from engaging in activities reserved for the state militia, including law enforcement activities. Some, including California, also prohibit paramilitary activity during or in furtherance of a civil disorder." Then it goes on to cite the California misdemeanor for doing so, in state law. Why would DoJ (feds) be investigating misdemeanor state law in California?
      - lokar 5y ago
        I did not mean to imply they should. Rather to refute the common view that self organized private militias are allowed or even somehow encouraged and have some kind of official status.
        notch656a 5y ago
        The source provided by throw0101a shows that 21 states allow organization of private military unit without any authorization of state government at all. The 'common view' that they are 'allowed' seems to be rooted in reality. https://www.law.georgetown.edu/icap/wp-content/uploads/sites/32/2018/04/Prohibiting-Private-Armies-at-Public-Rallies.pdf https://www.law.georgetown.edu/icap/wp-content/uploads/sites...
  - throw0101a 5y ago
    > This report identifies, for each of the 50 states, the constitutional and statutory provisions relevant to paramilitary and private militia activity. Importantly, each state has at least one constitutional or statutory provision that applies to the type of paramilitary and private militia activity that may arise at future rallies similar to the Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville. > ICAP has categorized the relevant state laws into four groups: (1) constitutional provisions requiring the subordination of the military to civilian authorities; (2) statutes restricting unauthorized private militia activity; (3) anti-paramilitary-activity criminal laws; and (4) prohibitions on the false assumption of the uniform or duties of a peace officer or member of the military. The report describes these categories in more detail below and notes which states have statutes or constitutional provisions falling into each category. Following that summary is a chart listing each state’s relevant provisions, and finally each constitutional or statutory provision in full, organized by state. The chart also includes annotations of relevant case law. * https://www.law.georgetown.edu/icap/wp-content/uploads/sites/32/2018/04/Prohibiting-Private-Armies-at-Public-Rallies.pdf https://www.law.georgetown.edu/icap/wp-content/uploads/sites...
throw0101a 5y ago
> Is there something illegal about being far-right or being in a militia? If they are participating in domestic terrorism, which is defined as (18 USC § 2331(5)) > activities that (A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the U.S. or of any state; (B) appear to be intended (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and (C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the U.S. * https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2331 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2331 I'm not aware of (m)any active (far-)left militias in recent years, though in the past there were some, e.g.: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weather_Underground https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weather_Underground