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I think if it were a real coup, they would have brought weapons.

twofornone 5y ago
A key point that many people seem to miss. A band of unhinged, bloodthirsty right wingers, staged a preempted coup, targeting politicians, and did not bring the guns that they're famous for amassing? Clearly this was not what it's being made out to be. Never let a crisis go to waste I suppose...
- beams_of_light 5y ago
  But did enter the Capitol building with hand held weapons, body armor, zip ties to subdue people, and were heard talking about locating members of Congress. Enough with the disingenuousness.
  - twofornone 5y ago
    But no guns. Why would they plan a violent insurrection/coup without guns? Moreover, the "handheld weapons" consisted largely of sticks and flagpoles, with some bearspray...you know, things you'd bring to a riot? And zipties were found on one or two participants. The only disingenuousness here is the attempt to manufacture an insurrection out of a riot.
    - beams_of_light 5y ago
      Several of the insurrectionists did have guns. The protest began peacefully, and turned violent following Trump's speech, where he urged the crowd to "fight like hell". These people aren't normal like you and I. They are extremely impressionable and subject to radicalization. Listen to the Channel 5 interview with the QAnon Shaman on YouTube. Does that strike you as someone that is capable of functioning in civil society?
    - danans 5y ago
      > Why would they plan a violent insurrection/coup without guns? To minimize the chances they got shot at by police (only 1 person was). They wanted to overturn the election, not die. But just in case they needed it, this group had an armed backup force waiting at a hotel in VA: https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/legal-issues/quick-reaction-force-capitol-riot/2021/04/14/2021da66-9d39-11eb-8005-bffc3a39f6d3_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/legal-issues/quick-reac...
  - ryan93 5y ago
    The zip ties were dropped by cops accidentally. They weren’t brought in. Please don’t comment if you are ignorant of the facts.
MrMan 5y ago
it was a dry run. if you look at the column of ex army rangers proceeding single file up the steps, you see a very well trained militia. they didn't bring guns because the invasion of the capitol was a propaganda / psychological operation. to show marginal and sympathetic right wingers that this was all real, and happening, and to elicit a response from the government. guns would have upped the ante on the core organizers and resulted in their decimation at the hands of local federal forces. This was just the beginning. from the angry anti government comments in this thread, their effort looks to be succeeding.
- ryan93 5y ago
  These people worship trump. If they thought what they did could work why would they show their hand in purposefully ineffectual manner? Any evidence it was planned just as a way to demonstrate what they are capable of. I’ve seen zero reporting on your theory.
- boppo1 5y ago
  I can find records of a single ex ranger, but not a whole column. Can you help me find that documentation?
  - ModernMech 5y ago
    I believe they are referencing this: https://extremism.gwu.edu/sites/g/files/zaxdzs2191/f/Jason%20Dolan%20Government%20Motion%20For%20Revocation%20of%20Order%20of%20Release.pdf https://extremism.gwu.edu/sites/g/files/zaxdzs2191/f/Jason%2... Page 12.

A key point that many people seem to miss. A band of unhinged, bloodthirsty right wingers, staged a preempted coup, targeting politicians, and did not bring the guns that they're famous for amassing? Clearly this was not what it's being made out to be. Never let a crisis go to waste I suppose...

beams_of_light 5y ago
But did enter the Capitol building with hand held weapons, body armor, zip ties to subdue people, and were heard talking about locating members of Congress. Enough with the disingenuousness.
- twofornone 5y ago
  But no guns. Why would they plan a violent insurrection/coup without guns? Moreover, the "handheld weapons" consisted largely of sticks and flagpoles, with some bearspray...you know, things you'd bring to a riot? And zipties were found on one or two participants. The only disingenuousness here is the attempt to manufacture an insurrection out of a riot.
  - beams_of_light 5y ago
    Several of the insurrectionists did have guns. The protest began peacefully, and turned violent following Trump's speech, where he urged the crowd to "fight like hell". These people aren't normal like you and I. They are extremely impressionable and subject to radicalization. Listen to the Channel 5 interview with the QAnon Shaman on YouTube. Does that strike you as someone that is capable of functioning in civil society?
  - danans 5y ago
    > Why would they plan a violent insurrection/coup without guns? To minimize the chances they got shot at by police (only 1 person was). They wanted to overturn the election, not die. But just in case they needed it, this group had an armed backup force waiting at a hotel in VA: https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/legal-issues/quick-reaction-force-capitol-riot/2021/04/14/2021da66-9d39-11eb-8005-bffc3a39f6d3_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/legal-issues/quick-reac...
- ryan93 5y ago
  The zip ties were dropped by cops accidentally. They weren’t brought in. Please don’t comment if you are ignorant of the facts.

MrMan 5y ago

it was a dry run. if you look at the column of ex army rangers proceeding single file up the steps, you see a very well trained militia. they didn't bring guns because the invasion of the capitol was a propaganda / psychological operation. to show marginal and sympathetic right wingers that this was all real, and happening, and to elicit a response from the government. guns would have upped the ante on the core organizers and resulted in their decimation at the hands of local federal forces. This was just the beginning. from the angry anti government comments in this thread, their effort looks to be succeeding.

ryan93 5y ago
These people worship trump. If they thought what they did could work why would they show their hand in purposefully ineffectual manner? Any evidence it was planned just as a way to demonstrate what they are capable of. I’ve seen zero reporting on your theory.
boppo1 5y ago
I can find records of a single ex ranger, but not a whole column. Can you help me find that documentation?
- ModernMech 5y ago
  I believe they are referencing this: https://extremism.gwu.edu/sites/g/files/zaxdzs2191/f/Jason%20Dolan%20Government%20Motion%20For%20Revocation%20of%20Order%20of%20Release.pdf https://extremism.gwu.edu/sites/g/files/zaxdzs2191/f/Jason%2... Page 12.