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> isnt it established fact the fbi had agents actively provoking the mob? known persons on video involved, not being prosecuted? Extraordinary claims like your

by rafale 5y ago

> isnt it established fact the fbi had agents actively provoking the mob? known persons on video involved, not being prosecuted? Extraordinary claims like yours require careful and thorough proof. And no it's not established.

BitwiseFool 5y ago
Given how the FBI (and our other intelligence agencies) have repeatedly performed covert actions like besmirching MLK and running influence campaigns, I'm not so sure the word "extraordinary" applies. I'm a cynic on this, to be sure. Read this post with that in mind. I take no stance on the GP's assertion. I just wanted to chime in about how untrustworthy I now am.
- throwaway0a5e 5y ago
  Being baited by the feds is a meme on both the left and right. Stereotypes like that do not become so universal and perpetuated without a decent foundation of truth to build upon.
kryogen1c 5y ago
the presupposition this is an extraordinary claim is false. the us government has been willing and able to do things like this for decades, and has a public track record of having done so.
- thinkcontext 5y ago
  Can you or can't you provide evidence that your claim has been "established"?
  - twofornone 5y ago
    How about the governer Whitmer kidnapping plot? >Another informant, an Iraq War veteran, was so deeply involved in the militant group that he rose in the ranks to become the second in command. He also encouraged members to work with other suspects and even offered to foot the bill to get people to and from meetings. He is also accused of urging the alleged mastermind of the kidnapping plot to carry it out before laying the trap for him to be arrested. [0] >There were at least 12 FBI informants involved in the investigation to thwart the alleged scheme by a militia group known as the “Wolverine Watchmen” — but the agents actually took an active part in it right from its inception, according to court filings, evidence and dozens of interviews reviewed by BuzzFeed News — and now some members of the group are accusing the feds of entrapment. [1] Bear in mind that given the nature of the subject, the frequency of "involvement" by three letter agencies is probably a lot higher than what is reported publicly. 0. https://news.yahoo.com/fbi-informants-had-bigger-role-213400243.html https://news.yahoo.com/fbi-informants-had-bigger-role-213400... 1. https://nypost.com/2021/07/21/men-accused-in-plot-to-kidnap-whitmer-claim-fbi-set-them-up/ https://nypost.com/2021/07/21/men-accused-in-plot-to-kidnap-...
    - thinkcontext 5y ago
      Interesting but irrelevant. The GP alleged something very specific, I would like evidence of that specific allegation.

by rafale 5y ago

BitwiseFool 5y ago

Given how the FBI (and our other intelligence agencies) have repeatedly performed covert actions like besmirching MLK and running influence campaigns, I'm not so sure the word "extraordinary" applies. I'm a cynic on this, to be sure. Read this post with that in mind. I take no stance on the GP's assertion. I just wanted to chime in about how untrustworthy I now am.

throwaway0a5e 5y ago
Being baited by the feds is a meme on both the left and right. Stereotypes like that do not become so universal and perpetuated without a decent foundation of truth to build upon.

kryogen1c 5y ago

the presupposition this is an extraordinary claim is false. the us government has been willing and able to do things like this for decades, and has a public track record of having done so.

thinkcontext 5y ago
Can you or can't you provide evidence that your claim has been "established"?
- twofornone 5y ago
  How about the governer Whitmer kidnapping plot? >Another informant, an Iraq War veteran, was so deeply involved in the militant group that he rose in the ranks to become the second in command. He also encouraged members to work with other suspects and even offered to foot the bill to get people to and from meetings. He is also accused of urging the alleged mastermind of the kidnapping plot to carry it out before laying the trap for him to be arrested. [0] >There were at least 12 FBI informants involved in the investigation to thwart the alleged scheme by a militia group known as the “Wolverine Watchmen” — but the agents actually took an active part in it right from its inception, according to court filings, evidence and dozens of interviews reviewed by BuzzFeed News — and now some members of the group are accusing the feds of entrapment. [1] Bear in mind that given the nature of the subject, the frequency of "involvement" by three letter agencies is probably a lot higher than what is reported publicly. 0. https://news.yahoo.com/fbi-informants-had-bigger-role-213400243.html https://news.yahoo.com/fbi-informants-had-bigger-role-213400... 1. https://nypost.com/2021/07/21/men-accused-in-plot-to-kidnap-whitmer-claim-fbi-set-them-up/ https://nypost.com/2021/07/21/men-accused-in-plot-to-kidnap-...
  - thinkcontext 5y ago
    Interesting but irrelevant. The GP alleged something very specific, I would like evidence of that specific allegation.