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Wonder how the Biden admin will feel if he isn’t re-elected and the next administration inherits the domestic terrorism unit.

cronix 5y ago
You don't need the presidency for that. You just need to be the majority party in congress because the majority party controls the committees and agenda. Congressional midterm elections are this year.
- notch656a 5y ago
  The legislative branch (congress) isn't supposed to be law enforcement. Law enforcement is squarely executive, as is presidency.
  - cronix 5y ago
    Right, but the presidential branch doesn't do investigations, or congressional hearings, or have the subpoena power that the congressional branch does (like we're seeing in the Jan 6th committee). They have a lot of investigatory power. They can release documents and emails. They can swear in testimony. They can hold you in contempt.
    - tssva 5y ago
      So there is no presidential branch. There is an executive branch. There also isn't a congressional branch. There is a legislative branch. The executive branch conducts investigations, issues subpoenas and certain agencies can directly hold you in contempt if you don't respond to a subpoena others can ask a court to find you in contempt of court. After all the FBI, DEA, ATF, CBP among many more law enforcement agencies are part of the executive branch.
      - cronix 5y ago
        Pedantic arguments aside, congress does all of that too. > The executive branch conducts investigations, >> Essentially, the Court held that the Constitution's text implies a power to investigate given its power to legislate. > issues subpoenas >> the U.S. Supreme Court clarified Congress's power to issue subpoenas in a 1917 case (Marshall v. Gordon), stating that "in virtue of the grant of legislative authority there [was] a power implied to deal with contempt." > certain agencies can directly hold you in contempt >> The authority of Congress to cite an individual with criminal contempt is found in Title 2, Section 192 of the U.S. Code. > others can ask a court to find you in contempt of court >> Either chamber of Congress may start the process in a committee (such as the House Judiciary Committee) and may rely on the legislative counsel's office like the Office of Senate Legal Counsel for help drafting a contempt resolution. Once the resolution is drafted and voted out of committee, it then goes to the full House or Senate (depending on where it originates) for a simple majority vote. https://www.findlaw.com/litigation/legal-system/contempt-of-congress-process-and-penalties.html https://www.findlaw.com/litigation/legal-system/contempt-of-...
        tssva 5y ago
        Yes, Congress does issue subpoenas and conduct investigations as stated in your original post and I didn't disagree with you on this point, but you also claimed that the "presidential branch" doesn't do these things. The main point of my reply is that the executive branch does do those things also.
jensensbutton 5y ago
What are you implying with this comment?
- notch656a 5y ago
  I think he is implying it may be used on political enemies or just generally for discretionary prosecution that disproportionately targets those who fall out of favor with the powerful.
- mmaunder 5y ago
  Administrations change and you better be ok with future executives inheriting powers that you create. One person’s terrorist is another’s freedom fighter, especially domestically. Nelson Mandela is a fine example of one of the greatest humans in history who was defined by the South African government as a domestic terrorist during apartheid.
- rglover 5y ago
  That this is essentially a low-key Stasi that can and will be used to improperly go after political dissidents under the guise of "domestic terrorism." The entire campaign/programming around "protecting our democracy" was the precursor psychological operation so the population goes along with single party rule. NBC News was running this last year (more priming): https://ww3.bongino.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/dhsadvisory.png https://ww3.bongino.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/dhsadviso.... It's all clever wordplay designed to manipulate the public into thinking people who disagree politically are terrorists (absent any actual proof that they have intent/motive/etc to commit acts of terror). It's the same logic that's held people from January 6th in solitary confinement without charges of insurrection (despite the media parroting/programming that it was an insurrection).
  - shrimpx 5y ago
    You're implying that democrats are doing all this PsyOps preparing to rule the country indefinitely? From where I sit, democrats are lame ducks who are set to get swept in 22 and 24.
lkxijlewlf 5y ago
Huh?
mc32 5y ago
It’s a self sustaining bureaucracy that is disconnected from any particular administration. Administrations will, of course, set a particular tone.
- footlose_3815 5y ago
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- notch656a 5y ago
  The DoJ is in federal executive branch. President is top of chain-of-command of executive branch. In fact, the constitution itself [0] states the [federal] executive power is vested in the president. Disconnect is probably not an accurate word to describe the relationship between DoJ and President. [0] https://constitutioncenter.org/interactive-constitution/article/article-ii https://constitutioncenter.org/interactive-constitution/arti...
  - mc32 5y ago
    True but the president can’t fire the whole department and hire a new one. They have enough trouble when the want to fire the USAG if the other party doesn’t want to see change.

cronix 5y ago

You don't need the presidency for that. You just need to be the majority party in congress because the majority party controls the committees and agenda. Congressional midterm elections are this year.

notch656a 5y ago
The legislative branch (congress) isn't supposed to be law enforcement. Law enforcement is squarely executive, as is presidency.
- cronix 5y ago
  Right, but the presidential branch doesn't do investigations, or congressional hearings, or have the subpoena power that the congressional branch does (like we're seeing in the Jan 6th committee). They have a lot of investigatory power. They can release documents and emails. They can swear in testimony. They can hold you in contempt.
  - tssva 5y ago
    So there is no presidential branch. There is an executive branch. There also isn't a congressional branch. There is a legislative branch. The executive branch conducts investigations, issues subpoenas and certain agencies can directly hold you in contempt if you don't respond to a subpoena others can ask a court to find you in contempt of court. After all the FBI, DEA, ATF, CBP among many more law enforcement agencies are part of the executive branch.
    - cronix 5y ago
      Pedantic arguments aside, congress does all of that too. > The executive branch conducts investigations, >> Essentially, the Court held that the Constitution's text implies a power to investigate given its power to legislate. > issues subpoenas >> the U.S. Supreme Court clarified Congress's power to issue subpoenas in a 1917 case (Marshall v. Gordon), stating that "in virtue of the grant of legislative authority there [was] a power implied to deal with contempt." > certain agencies can directly hold you in contempt >> The authority of Congress to cite an individual with criminal contempt is found in Title 2, Section 192 of the U.S. Code. > others can ask a court to find you in contempt of court >> Either chamber of Congress may start the process in a committee (such as the House Judiciary Committee) and may rely on the legislative counsel's office like the Office of Senate Legal Counsel for help drafting a contempt resolution. Once the resolution is drafted and voted out of committee, it then goes to the full House or Senate (depending on where it originates) for a simple majority vote. https://www.findlaw.com/litigation/legal-system/contempt-of-congress-process-and-penalties.html https://www.findlaw.com/litigation/legal-system/contempt-of-...
      - tssva 5y ago
        Yes, Congress does issue subpoenas and conduct investigations as stated in your original post and I didn't disagree with you on this point, but you also claimed that the "presidential branch" doesn't do these things. The main point of my reply is that the executive branch does do those things also.

jensensbutton 5y ago

What are you implying with this comment?

notch656a 5y ago
I think he is implying it may be used on political enemies or just generally for discretionary prosecution that disproportionately targets those who fall out of favor with the powerful.
mmaunder 5y ago
Administrations change and you better be ok with future executives inheriting powers that you create. One person’s terrorist is another’s freedom fighter, especially domestically. Nelson Mandela is a fine example of one of the greatest humans in history who was defined by the South African government as a domestic terrorist during apartheid.
rglover 5y ago
That this is essentially a low-key Stasi that can and will be used to improperly go after political dissidents under the guise of "domestic terrorism." The entire campaign/programming around "protecting our democracy" was the precursor psychological operation so the population goes along with single party rule. NBC News was running this last year (more priming): https://ww3.bongino.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/dhsadvisory.png https://ww3.bongino.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/dhsadviso.... It's all clever wordplay designed to manipulate the public into thinking people who disagree politically are terrorists (absent any actual proof that they have intent/motive/etc to commit acts of terror). It's the same logic that's held people from January 6th in solitary confinement without charges of insurrection (despite the media parroting/programming that it was an insurrection).
- shrimpx 5y ago
  You're implying that democrats are doing all this PsyOps preparing to rule the country indefinitely? From where I sit, democrats are lame ducks who are set to get swept in 22 and 24.

lkxijlewlf 5y ago

Huh?

mc32 5y ago

It’s a self sustaining bureaucracy that is disconnected from any particular administration. Administrations will, of course, set a particular tone.

footlose_3815 5y ago
[dead]
notch656a 5y ago
The DoJ is in federal executive branch. President is top of chain-of-command of executive branch. In fact, the constitution itself [0] states the [federal] executive power is vested in the president. Disconnect is probably not an accurate word to describe the relationship between DoJ and President. [0] https://constitutioncenter.org/interactive-constitution/article/article-ii https://constitutioncenter.org/interactive-constitution/arti...
- mc32 5y ago
  True but the president can’t fire the whole department and hire a new one. They have enough trouble when the want to fire the USAG if the other party doesn’t want to see change.