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I use iCloud Keychain because Apple is not in business of making money off a password manager. They charge me more via their hardware sales scheme but at the en

by msoad 5y ago

I use iCloud Keychain because Apple is not in business of making money off a password manager. They charge me more via their hardware sales scheme but at the end of the day it’s a good experience overall

halfmatthalfcat 5y ago
Can you share passwords with iCloud Keychain? I ask because I heavily use the family vaulting in 1PW to share common passwords amongst family.
- msoad 5y ago
  Sharing is available only via AirDrop. You can copy the password too. But no "shared password".
Someone1234 5y ago
A solution that isn't cross-platform at all. Non-starter for me.
- msoad 5y ago
  They have a Windows app. I only have iPhone, iPad and Mac so not sure how good it is. https://support.apple.com/guide/icloud-windows/set-up-icloud-passwords-icw2babf5e03/icloud https://support.apple.com/guide/icloud-windows/set-up-icloud...
- mrtranscendence 5y ago
  I see your point, and if I were (say) a Linux user I of course wouldn't use iCloud. But as someone whose entire digital life is on iOS and macOS, it doesn't bother me that it may not work (or work as well) on other platforms.
mdavis6890 5y ago
Strange - the fact that Apple is not trying to make money from passwords seems like a good reason NOT to use it. Though I don't have much experience with keychain so I can't comment on that specifically. (I do have a lot of Apple devices I like though). I feel more comfortable when a company is trying to earn my money by delivering a good product with good service. Of course that doesn't always work out, but I feel it's a better shot.
- mrtranscendence 5y ago
  Well, Apple isn't directly making money from selling subscriptions to the iCloud Keychain, but it's a fairly important factor in making iOS and macOS straightforward to use for many people (including me). So the indirect business case for keeping it around and performing well is pretty sound.
thomascgalvin 5y ago
The older (and busier) I get, the more I'm willing to put up with a walled garden that just works. Apple is not (always) a good actor; they've been caught intentionally degrading the performance of older hardware, in order to increase sales of new hardware. But, they seem very keen on maintaining the privacy and safety of their users, which is true of essentially no other tech company on the planet. I'm still not all-in on the Apple ecosystem, but stuff like this always makes me pause.

by msoad 5y ago

halfmatthalfcat 5y ago

Can you share passwords with iCloud Keychain? I ask because I heavily use the family vaulting in 1PW to share common passwords amongst family.

msoad 5y ago
Sharing is available only via AirDrop. You can copy the password too. But no "shared password".

Someone1234 5y ago

A solution that isn't cross-platform at all. Non-starter for me.

msoad 5y ago
They have a Windows app. I only have iPhone, iPad and Mac so not sure how good it is. https://support.apple.com/guide/icloud-windows/set-up-icloud-passwords-icw2babf5e03/icloud https://support.apple.com/guide/icloud-windows/set-up-icloud...
mrtranscendence 5y ago
I see your point, and if I were (say) a Linux user I of course wouldn't use iCloud. But as someone whose entire digital life is on iOS and macOS, it doesn't bother me that it may not work (or work as well) on other platforms.

mdavis6890 5y ago

Strange - the fact that Apple is not trying to make money from passwords seems like a good reason NOT to use it. Though I don't have much experience with keychain so I can't comment on that specifically. (I do have a lot of Apple devices I like though). I feel more comfortable when a company is trying to earn my money by delivering a good product with good service. Of course that doesn't always work out, but I feel it's a better shot.

mrtranscendence 5y ago
Well, Apple isn't directly making money from selling subscriptions to the iCloud Keychain, but it's a fairly important factor in making iOS and macOS straightforward to use for many people (including me). So the indirect business case for keeping it around and performing well is pretty sound.

thomascgalvin 5y ago

The older (and busier) I get, the more I'm willing to put up with a walled garden that just works. Apple is not (always) a good actor; they've been caught intentionally degrading the performance of older hardware, in order to increase sales of new hardware. But, they seem very keen on maintaining the privacy and safety of their users, which is true of essentially no other tech company on the planet. I'm still not all-in on the Apple ecosystem, but stuff like this always makes me pause.