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A question, then. Li-ion battery arrangements inside those devices seem to hold about 80% of their usable capacity and voltage for about six months, with avera
by godDLL 5y ago
A question, then.
Li-ion battery arrangements inside those devices seem to hold about 80% of their usable capacity and voltage for about six months, with average usage patterns. A year after that this drops to 50% of original capacity, or below. This is known, if a bit too generalized.
Yet those are not easily swapped out. And your CPU throttles, your WiFi throttles down with the battery, reducing usability. There is no "please change out the battery" alert for the user at any point.
The marketing for these devices makes no mention like "you've got about a year of usage for this device before it becomes slow".
In any of this there aren't any external factors to anticipate, unlike with the Javascript landscape example above. As a manufacturer you know your device usage patterns, you do collect some telemetry and some repairs data. You can make a projection.
My point is, those are being sold in full knowledge of the facts of their limited lifetime. With no mitigation strategies, with no concessions for user-serviceable battery replacement or how to buy those batteries. There is no battery shelf at the Apple store.
It isn't discussed much. There is no customer blowback to this product strategy. It could be, in bad faith argued that people are fine with buying something to replace it a year later.
My question is, to you, are you arguing this in good faith? Do you really think this is fine to have something called a "product" where it is actually a service, with a limited term and no end-user serviceability?
Is it OK to call something a "question" where I am asking you to ask yourself, and don't care to hear what the answer is, because I have already arrived at an opinion long time ago and see no reason to change it hence?
Please don't be offended by this, it isn't intended to rile you in any way.
I am only after some clarity, as I perceive your language to be confusing terms mightily and so making things seem more complicated than they end up being.
- 43920 5y ago> Li-ion battery arrangements inside those devices seem to hold about 80% of their usable capacity and voltage for about six months, with average usage patterns. A year after that this drops to 50% of original capacity, or below. This is known, if a bit too generalized. What? Taking the example of Apple (since they make their battery ratings easily accessible, but other manufacturers are similar), iphone batteries are rated to hit 80% at 500 charge cycles, and ipad/macbook batteries are rated to 1000 cycles [1]. Assuming you discharge your battery from 100% to 0% every day (which is at the upper end of average usage), iphone batteries should last ~1.5 years, and macbook batteries around 3 years. Apple also has a pretty good battery replacement service, at least in comparison to other manufacturers. When my iphone battery wore out after ~3 years, I shipped it to Apple and paid $60, and they sent it back a few days later with a new battery. My macbook battery lasted ~4 years of heavy usage, and they did the same thing for ~$200. A user-swappable battery would definitely be easier (and cheaper), but the service they offer is good enough that it's still feasible to get a replacement and keep the device past the battery lifespan. [1] https://www.apple.com/batteries/service-and-recycling/ https://www.apple.com/batteries/service-and-recycling/