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> This isn’t your problem Mom. You should’t have to go buy new hardware. This is a problem with the people who make that website. They should be making their we

> This isn’t your problem Mom. You should’t have to go buy new hardware. This is a problem with the people who make that website. They should be making their website’s code more accessible to legacy devices. No! This is 100% Google/Apple's fault for planned obsolescence. They should have an option to allow the browsers to update to the latest even if the device is unsupported. You can't expect every website on the internet to test on every old version of every browser that any old device might be stuck on. Where would it stop? Meanwhile, your mom's old browsers are missing important security updates!

aethertron 5y ago
They don't need to pre-emptively test on everything. Fixing such issues after they're reported would be good.
- teawrecks 5y ago
  But that would just increase the number of issues reported over time. It can't scale. When should they stop supporting these devices? If their telemetry shows 1 user on an iPad from 5 years ago, does that mean they need to support it? What about 1 user on an iPad from 50 years ago? Again, where does it end? You shouldn't be running an out of date browser at all, that's a major security risk.
  - aethertron 5y ago
    Support doesn't need to be perfect. An out-of-date browser should be security-OK for things that don't involve money. Maybe JS needs to get switched off. So sites should work without JS.
twodave 5y ago
Or at least if they're going to end support for a device, give us one last update to open up the bootloader so we can make some use for the thing other than as a paperweight.
dmitriid 5y ago
> You can't expect every website on the internet to test on every old version of every browser that any old device might be stuck on. No, you don't have to. All you have to do is not use modern features without transpilation and expect them to work for everyone. babel + browserlist with sane defaults would have prevented the issue described in the post.

aethertron 5y ago

They don't need to pre-emptively test on everything. Fixing such issues after they're reported would be good.

teawrecks 5y ago
But that would just increase the number of issues reported over time. It can't scale. When should they stop supporting these devices? If their telemetry shows 1 user on an iPad from 5 years ago, does that mean they need to support it? What about 1 user on an iPad from 50 years ago? Again, where does it end? You shouldn't be running an out of date browser at all, that's a major security risk.
- aethertron 5y ago
  Support doesn't need to be perfect. An out-of-date browser should be security-OK for things that don't involve money. Maybe JS needs to get switched off. So sites should work without JS.

twodave 5y ago

Or at least if they're going to end support for a device, give us one last update to open up the bootloader so we can make some use for the thing other than as a paperweight.

dmitriid 5y ago

> You can't expect every website on the internet to test on every old version of every browser that any old device might be stuck on. No, you don't have to. All you have to do is not use modern features without transpilation and expect them to work for everyone. babel + browserlist with sane defaults would have prevented the issue described in the post.