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If the vaccines don't prevent spread or contraction of the virus, why are people upset with him standing up against these pointless vaccine mandates?

samarama 5y ago
Because boostered individuals have a drastically reduced infection risk by 80%. On top of they are 66% less infectious when being infected since they clear the virus twice as fast and 40% of their virus particles are dead. This gives them an overall reduced risk of infecting someone else by 93%. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.11.24.21266831v1.full https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.11.24.21266831v... https://news.arizona.edu/story/covid-19-vaccine-reduces-severity-length-viral-load-those-who-still-get-infected https://news.arizona.edu/story/covid-19-vaccine-reduces-seve...
- logifail 5y ago
  > This gives them an overall reduced risk of infecting someone else by 93% Q: How long does that reduced risk persist for? Then read this story: We can’t vaccinate the planet every six months, says JCVI chief https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/01/03/fourth-covid-jab-cant-vaccinate-planet-every-six-months-says/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/01/03/fourth-covid-jab... "Prof Sir Andrew Pollard said there was no point in trying to stop all infections, and that 'at some point, society has to open up'"
- wackro 5y ago
  Thanks for the info and those links. There hasn't been nearly enough public information on _how_ jabs help. The rhetoric is always 'get jabbed because it protects health services', which despite being true, leaves a lot out. It also doesn't help that a lot of easily accessible information is contradictory and focuses on considering one's own heath rather than everyone's.
Anthony-G 5y ago
They don’t prevent the spread or contraction of the virus but they reduce the transmission period and greatly reduce the severity of the disease if a fully vaccinated person contracts Covid-19. They may not be a panacea but they’re a very useful tool in dealing with Covid-19 and keeping people out of hospital unnecessarily.
- logifail 5y ago
  > keeping people out of hospital Are there many previously young and healthy people ending up in hospital with Covid?
  - pvaldes 5y ago
    > Are there many previously young and healthy people ending up in hospital with Covid? Yes, of course, more than a thousand of children and young adults in their prime died just in US. https://abcnews.go.com/US/wrecked-lives-families-young-adults-died-covid-19/story?id=74148061 https://abcnews.go.com/US/wrecked-lives-families-young-adult...
    - skrbjc 5y ago
      250 0-4 year olds died with Covid and 573 5-18 year olds died with Covid. Remember these are people that died in the hospital with a positive Covid test. One study out of UCSF found more than 40% of kids hospitalized with Covid were there for a reason other than Covid, like a broken arm, and then also tested positive with an asymptotic case. Likely the kids dying with Covid could be overcounted as well. https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-COVID-19-Deaths-Focus-on-Ages-0-18-Yea/nr4s-juj3 https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-COVID-19-Deaths-Focus-... https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/05/study-number-of-kids-hospitalized-for-covid-is-overcounted.html https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/05/study-number-of-kids...
      - pvaldes 5y ago
        The time to have this discussion was two years ago. We are talking about children and youngs that were killed by Covid, not with Covid and the number is 'too much' to keep ignoring the plain facts.
aix1 5y ago
> why are people upset with him standing up against these pointless vaccine mandates? In these events he is not standing up against anything. He appears to be quietly proving false statements about his test results and/or his recent travel history in order to manipulate the system to his advantage (i.e. gain the ability to take part in a tournament in a country he is likely not eligible to enter).
Handytinge 5y ago
Nobody's upset about his beliefs. However if you don't meet entry requirements to a country, you shouldn't be surprised if you're not let in.

samarama 5y ago

Because boostered individuals have a drastically reduced infection risk by 80%. On top of they are 66% less infectious when being infected since they clear the virus twice as fast and 40% of their virus particles are dead. This gives them an overall reduced risk of infecting someone else by 93%. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.11.24.21266831v1.full https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.11.24.21266831v... https://news.arizona.edu/story/covid-19-vaccine-reduces-severity-length-viral-load-those-who-still-get-infected https://news.arizona.edu/story/covid-19-vaccine-reduces-seve...

logifail 5y ago
> This gives them an overall reduced risk of infecting someone else by 93% Q: How long does that reduced risk persist for? Then read this story: We can’t vaccinate the planet every six months, says JCVI chief https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/01/03/fourth-covid-jab-cant-vaccinate-planet-every-six-months-says/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/01/03/fourth-covid-jab... "Prof Sir Andrew Pollard said there was no point in trying to stop all infections, and that 'at some point, society has to open up'"
wackro 5y ago
Thanks for the info and those links. There hasn't been nearly enough public information on _how_ jabs help. The rhetoric is always 'get jabbed because it protects health services', which despite being true, leaves a lot out. It also doesn't help that a lot of easily accessible information is contradictory and focuses on considering one's own heath rather than everyone's.

Anthony-G 5y ago

They don’t prevent the spread or contraction of the virus but they reduce the transmission period and greatly reduce the severity of the disease if a fully vaccinated person contracts Covid-19. They may not be a panacea but they’re a very useful tool in dealing with Covid-19 and keeping people out of hospital unnecessarily.

logifail 5y ago
> keeping people out of hospital Are there many previously young and healthy people ending up in hospital with Covid?
- pvaldes 5y ago
  > Are there many previously young and healthy people ending up in hospital with Covid? Yes, of course, more than a thousand of children and young adults in their prime died just in US. https://abcnews.go.com/US/wrecked-lives-families-young-adults-died-covid-19/story?id=74148061 https://abcnews.go.com/US/wrecked-lives-families-young-adult...
  - skrbjc 5y ago
    250 0-4 year olds died with Covid and 573 5-18 year olds died with Covid. Remember these are people that died in the hospital with a positive Covid test. One study out of UCSF found more than 40% of kids hospitalized with Covid were there for a reason other than Covid, like a broken arm, and then also tested positive with an asymptotic case. Likely the kids dying with Covid could be overcounted as well. https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-COVID-19-Deaths-Focus-on-Ages-0-18-Yea/nr4s-juj3 https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-COVID-19-Deaths-Focus-... https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/05/study-number-of-kids-hospitalized-for-covid-is-overcounted.html https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/05/study-number-of-kids...
    - pvaldes 5y ago
      The time to have this discussion was two years ago. We are talking about children and youngs that were killed by Covid, not with Covid and the number is 'too much' to keep ignoring the plain facts.

aix1 5y ago

> why are people upset with him standing up against these pointless vaccine mandates? In these events he is not standing up against anything. He appears to be quietly proving false statements about his test results and/or his recent travel history in order to manipulate the system to his advantage (i.e. gain the ability to take part in a tournament in a country he is likely not eligible to enter).

Handytinge 5y ago

Nobody's upset about his beliefs. However if you don't meet entry requirements to a country, you shouldn't be surprised if you're not let in.