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8. Google produced a cleaner, faster browser than the buggy, slow and bloated Firefox. Mozilla began addressing performance issues with Firefox 57 and future r

8. Google produced a cleaner, faster browser than the buggy, slow and bloated Firefox. Mozilla began addressing performance issues with Firefox 57 and future releases, but for almost the entire decade prior Firefox was unstable trash.

cptskippy 5y ago
> but for almost the entire decade prior Firefox was unstable trash. I don't think it was any more unstable than other browsers at the time, however they were the ones who introduced session restore to combat crashing. It's funny how a mitigation to crashing evolved into a must have feature. I've been using it since it was called Phoenix and trash is the last word I'd use to describe it.
- minusf 5y ago
  i think old opera's session restore left everybody in the dust. i think opera was the fastest and best browser for a long long time.
  - TheFlyingFish 5y ago
    The thing I've never understood about Opera is - what were they missing? They pioneered a ton of features that are now ubiquitous, like tabs and "speed dial," but somehow never managed to gain much market share. Why not?
    - minusf 5y ago
      yes, it was truly the utorrent of browsers. well it was commercial software.. first trialware, then it showed ads, and so on. i guess for a long time it couldnt be given away freely as it was developed by a small company. not being open source also hampered true cross platform, for example on openbsd it could be run only under linux emulation.
eitland 5y ago
> but for almost the entire decade prior Firefox was unstable trash. People say this all the time. Personally I didn't like Chrome for UX and technical reasons even back when Google were nice so I have used Firefox from 2005 until now, across mostly Windows and Linux but also Mac from 2009 to 2012, often having a few hundred tabs open. I cannot say that your statement is false for everyone but I can say that it is definitely not true for everyone.

cptskippy 5y ago

> but for almost the entire decade prior Firefox was unstable trash. I don't think it was any more unstable than other browsers at the time, however they were the ones who introduced session restore to combat crashing. It's funny how a mitigation to crashing evolved into a must have feature. I've been using it since it was called Phoenix and trash is the last word I'd use to describe it.

minusf 5y ago
i think old opera's session restore left everybody in the dust. i think opera was the fastest and best browser for a long long time.
- TheFlyingFish 5y ago
  The thing I've never understood about Opera is - what were they missing? They pioneered a ton of features that are now ubiquitous, like tabs and "speed dial," but somehow never managed to gain much market share. Why not?
  - minusf 5y ago
    yes, it was truly the utorrent of browsers. well it was commercial software.. first trialware, then it showed ads, and so on. i guess for a long time it couldnt be given away freely as it was developed by a small company. not being open source also hampered true cross platform, for example on openbsd it could be run only under linux emulation.

eitland 5y ago

> but for almost the entire decade prior Firefox was unstable trash. People say this all the time. Personally I didn't like Chrome for UX and technical reasons even back when Google were nice so I have used Firefox from 2005 until now, across mostly Windows and Linux but also Mac from 2009 to 2012, often having a few hundred tabs open. I cannot say that your statement is false for everyone but I can say that it is definitely not true for everyone.