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The default view of caniuse.com should be “Usage relative”, not “Current aligned”

andai 5y ago
Here's the closest issue I could find: https://github.com/Fyrd/caniuse/issues/4192 https://github.com/Fyrd/caniuse/issues/4192 There's a setting to make it default in "Settings > Default display settings" but I agree it should be the default automatically. I wonder why it isn't?
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- john-doe 5y ago
  Probably to boost awareness and adoption of new technologies, with the downside of effectively boosting awareness and adoption of new technologies over other considerations, like the web backward compatibility.
jonny_eh 5y ago
Here it is for optional chaining: https://caniuse.com/?search=optional%20chaining https://caniuse.com/?search=optional%20chaining +90% of users can use it, which is probably not high enough IMO.
- munchbunny 5y ago
  For end user/consumer software, 90% is nowhere near high enough. In b2b/enterprise settings you have levers to help you push that number higher through IT policy, but end users will absolutely attempt to visit your cutting edge 2022 website on the iPad 3 they've used lightly. My rule of thumb has been that if it's an app core to someone's job or life management, it needs to be functional for hardware/software going back 5-7 years, less if it's just entertainment or something.
  - jonny_eh 5y ago
    Maybe caniuse.com should show "age of support" or something like that, to show you the newest possible device you're cutting off by using the feature.
    - masklinn 5y ago
      The view is not ideal but "date relative" provides some indication. Anything older than 2020 doesn't support optional chaining. Which makes sense, given it's apparently an ES2020 feature.
      - jonny_eh 5y ago
        Perfect, date relative is exactly what I wanted!
sundarurfriend 5y ago
Also keep in mind the limitations and biases of the CanIUse stats themselves - last I checked, their data was from StatCounter, and so based on people who visit websites that use the StatCounter service. The country-wise sample sizes [1] make the geographic biases clear - China is pretty underrepresented for example, presumably because Chinese websites don't use StatCounter as much. There may also be other kinds of biases in the data that are not so easily visible. This is not to say that the stats should be disregarded; just that like any other data source, it should be treated as one view of (some of) the data, with its own shortcomings. [1] https://gs.statcounter.com/faq#sample-size https://gs.statcounter.com/faq#sample-size

Here's the closest issue I could find: https://github.com/Fyrd/caniuse/issues/4192 https://github.com/Fyrd/caniuse/issues/4192 There's a setting to make it default in "Settings > Default display settings" but I agree it should be the default automatically. I wonder why it isn't?

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john-doe 5y ago
Probably to boost awareness and adoption of new technologies, with the downside of effectively boosting awareness and adoption of new technologies over other considerations, like the web backward compatibility.

jonny_eh 5y ago

Here it is for optional chaining: https://caniuse.com/?search=optional%20chaining https://caniuse.com/?search=optional%20chaining +90% of users can use it, which is probably not high enough IMO.

munchbunny 5y ago
For end user/consumer software, 90% is nowhere near high enough. In b2b/enterprise settings you have levers to help you push that number higher through IT policy, but end users will absolutely attempt to visit your cutting edge 2022 website on the iPad 3 they've used lightly. My rule of thumb has been that if it's an app core to someone's job or life management, it needs to be functional for hardware/software going back 5-7 years, less if it's just entertainment or something.
- jonny_eh 5y ago
  Maybe caniuse.com should show "age of support" or something like that, to show you the newest possible device you're cutting off by using the feature.
  - masklinn 5y ago
    The view is not ideal but "date relative" provides some indication. Anything older than 2020 doesn't support optional chaining. Which makes sense, given it's apparently an ES2020 feature.
    - jonny_eh 5y ago
      Perfect, date relative is exactly what I wanted!

sundarurfriend 5y ago

Also keep in mind the limitations and biases of the CanIUse stats themselves - last I checked, their data was from StatCounter, and so based on people who visit websites that use the StatCounter service. The country-wise sample sizes [1] make the geographic biases clear - China is pretty underrepresented for example, presumably because Chinese websites don't use StatCounter as much. There may also be other kinds of biases in the data that are not so easily visible. This is not to say that the stats should be disregarded; just that like any other data source, it should be treated as one view of (some of) the data, with its own shortcomings. [1] https://gs.statcounter.com/faq#sample-size https://gs.statcounter.com/faq#sample-size