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Djokovic's positive PCR test was manipulated

43 points by HelenePhisher 5y ago

HelenePhisher 5y ago
Previous submission of the tweets in German here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29892505 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29892505
yesenadam 5y ago
The twitter thread as a blog post: https://zerforschung.org/posts/djokovic-pcr-test-en/ https://zerforschung.org/posts/djokovic-pcr-test-en/
ralston3 5y ago
- rsstack 5y ago
  > Please don't complain about tangential annoyances—things like article or website formats, name collisions, or back-button breakage. They're too common to be interesting. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - pupppet 5y ago
- pmarreck 5y ago
  If you followed the thread, at the end they did mention they made it a blog post: https://zerforschung.org/posts/djokovic-pcr-test-en/ https://zerforschung.org/posts/djokovic-pcr-test-en/
  - feet 5y ago
gcanyon 5y ago
No one has a right to play tennis in a tournament. He should stop being a big baby and get vaccinated, jeez.
- ipspam 5y ago
  And what if it ends his career? And why if he already had COVID? The reasonable solution is that no tennis tournaments can be held anywhere with a discriminatory COVID policy. Let the country do as they please, but that means losing the whole tournament. It's not reasonable to expect a top performing athlete to risk their heart health on a useless vaccine that doesn't even prevent spread.
  - zaccusl 5y ago
    What kind of misinformation is this? Where do you get your data? At least against Alpha and Delta strains, the Covid vaccines SUBSTANTIALLY reduce spread. What data do you present that they don't? Or are you trying to spread disinformation or are you genuinely ignorant (which is okay, the former is not)? https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.13.21260393v2 https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.13.21260393v...
    - ipspam 5y ago
      You site a paper from June of 2021. The vaccines came out in roughly January of 2021, with average uptake around march. This paper is not relevant to this discussion, it looks at vaccine outcomes within a less than 150 day window, and only serves to mislead people like yourself.
  - tibbydudeza 5y ago
    That is why they still have Monaco on the F1 calendar because of tradition although it is a rather crappy street track for the modern F1 era. The Australian Open will always be part of the "Grandslam" for tennis.
  - gcanyon 5y ago
    The probability that it ends his career is far less than the probability Covid will. Why? Because mild cases such as the one he’s saying he had produced unreliable immunity. After a mild case there’s every chance he’ll get it again. And again. There is nothing discriminatory about a country/tournament requiring a vaccine against a serious contagious illness. Everything in your last paragraph is false.
LittlePeter 5y ago
One commenter in that Twitter thread mentions that the Unix epoch embedded in the URL represents the time of the download, not the time of the test.
- pmarreck 5y ago
  isn't the URL what's embedded in the QR code, though?
- kuboris 5y ago
  Copy paste from the website: On HackerNews someone gave a plausible explanation for the timestamps: They are regenerated when you download the PDF with the result. This explains the inconsistencies in the timestamps – but not in the confirmation codes – because they remain the same. And the inconsistencies also exists in them. The confirmation codes are ascending, so the result from the 16th should have a lower number than the one from 22nd. However, it is the other way around.

43 points by HelenePhisher 5y ago

Previous submission of the tweets in German here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29892505 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29892505

yesenadam 5y ago

The twitter thread as a blog post: https://zerforschung.org/posts/djokovic-pcr-test-en/ https://zerforschung.org/posts/djokovic-pcr-test-en/

ralston3 5y ago

rsstack 5y ago
> Please don't complain about tangential annoyances—things like article or website formats, name collisions, or back-button breakage. They're too common to be interesting. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- pupppet 5y ago
pmarreck 5y ago
If you followed the thread, at the end they did mention they made it a blog post: https://zerforschung.org/posts/djokovic-pcr-test-en/ https://zerforschung.org/posts/djokovic-pcr-test-en/
- feet 5y ago

gcanyon 5y ago

No one has a right to play tennis in a tournament. He should stop being a big baby and get vaccinated, jeez.

ipspam 5y ago
And what if it ends his career? And why if he already had COVID? The reasonable solution is that no tennis tournaments can be held anywhere with a discriminatory COVID policy. Let the country do as they please, but that means losing the whole tournament. It's not reasonable to expect a top performing athlete to risk their heart health on a useless vaccine that doesn't even prevent spread.
- zaccusl 5y ago
  What kind of misinformation is this? Where do you get your data? At least against Alpha and Delta strains, the Covid vaccines SUBSTANTIALLY reduce spread. What data do you present that they don't? Or are you trying to spread disinformation or are you genuinely ignorant (which is okay, the former is not)? https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.13.21260393v2 https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.13.21260393v...
  - ipspam 5y ago
    You site a paper from June of 2021. The vaccines came out in roughly January of 2021, with average uptake around march. This paper is not relevant to this discussion, it looks at vaccine outcomes within a less than 150 day window, and only serves to mislead people like yourself.
- tibbydudeza 5y ago
  That is why they still have Monaco on the F1 calendar because of tradition although it is a rather crappy street track for the modern F1 era. The Australian Open will always be part of the "Grandslam" for tennis.
- gcanyon 5y ago
  The probability that it ends his career is far less than the probability Covid will. Why? Because mild cases such as the one he’s saying he had produced unreliable immunity. After a mild case there’s every chance he’ll get it again. And again. There is nothing discriminatory about a country/tournament requiring a vaccine against a serious contagious illness. Everything in your last paragraph is false.

LittlePeter 5y ago

One commenter in that Twitter thread mentions that the Unix epoch embedded in the URL represents the time of the download, not the time of the test.

pmarreck 5y ago
isn't the URL what's embedded in the QR code, though?
kuboris 5y ago
Copy paste from the website: On HackerNews someone gave a plausible explanation for the timestamps: They are regenerated when you download the PDF with the result. This explains the inconsistencies in the timestamps – but not in the confirmation codes – because they remain the same. And the inconsistencies also exists in them. The confirmation codes are ascending, so the result from the 16th should have a lower number than the one from 22nd. However, it is the other way around.