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> how did Google reach this position? In part, at least, by relentlessly promoting Chrome on their (hugely popular) web properties, as well as other advertisin

• germandiago 5y ago
  I think there are two different things here being discussed. > In part, at least, by relentlessly promoting Chrome on their (hugely popular) web properties, as well as other advertising channels. It is their property, of course they can use it to promote their stuff. The other topic is how much they are doing without user consent. That would definitely could incur in privacy violations. But promoting my stuff in my own places? That is not a reason to complain.
  • skinkestek 5y ago
    >It is their property, of course they can use it to promote their stuff. Luckily for consumers and small and medium-sized businesses Microsoft vs Eu and Microsoft vs US tells a different story about the legality of using a monopoly in one area to push for monopoly in other areas. I'd not invest significant shares of my money into either MS or Google before we see the end of this, then maybe there is a chance to pick up some at a more realistic price. As the saying goes: the wheels of justice grinds slowly.
    • germandiago 5y ago
      You as a consumer have the power of where to put your money. If you think a company is creating monopolies just use an alternative. If you keep using the one from the big company, you should wonder why as well. Maybe they are offering something better than the alternatives and I do not think someone should be entitled to force all the other consumers have inferior or more expensive products because a third party decides that they are too big. By this reasoning, what you are saying is that we have to stop companies making better products for the people on the basis that they are too big. The dynamics of competition tells us that when IBM existed, it appeared Microsoft, when Microsoft and IBM existed, it appeared Google, Apple came back, Facebook appeared. If big companies had absolute power then this would not happen. More companies will be born, the same way Zara was born in Spain from a guy sewing at his own home. Telling someone that because they are "too big" they cannot make better products makes no sense to me, since you just said you support consumers. Me too, that is why I won't force inferior products on them. The reasons should be something else like agreeing prices among companies or similar stuff. But even that could make some small company emerge if the prices are artificially puffed up, because it makes them less competitive. It is a business chance for someone else in that case.
      • skinkestek 5y ago
        > If you think a company is creating monopolies just use an alternative. I do. I've used Firefox as my main browser since well over a decade ago. > If you keep using the one from the big company, you should wonder why as well. Again, I never use it. I tried it back when it was new but it wasn't that much faster and the extensions were subpar. Later the reasons expanded as K didn't want to deal with Google. > Maybe they are offering something better than the alternatives and I do not think someone should be entitled to force all the other consumers have inferior or more expensive products because a third party decides that they are too big. If this was all then they should probably go free even if no one liked them. I think I am fair enough to judge them that way. However they, like Microsoft before (and after) them use their monopoly in one space to chase monopolies in other space. > By this reasoning, what you are saying is that we have to stop companies making better products for the people on the basis that they are too big. Not at all what I am saying.
        • germandiago 5y ago
          FWIW I used Chrome and now use Firefox. When I said "you" I meant people who complain in general terms about these companies yet they still have a choice and use stuff from companies they hate. I am just trying to make my point that a superior product is good for the consumer and there are rules that can hurt you as a consumer that are apparwntly good. Nothing can replace good judgement and information. I find natural companies trying to reinvest. That creates employments anyway. I prefer that there are more services providers as opposed to a big one but that is not a reason to stop them if they offer the best alternative. After all, smaller companies have always emerged when the big ones were there already. That shows that being big does not mean you can beat everyone at everything at all.