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What you're describing is WhatsApp. So we don't need to speculate. iMessage benefited tremendously from being the default. Combine that with Apple's mobile mar

What you're describing is WhatsApp. So we don't need to speculate. iMessage benefited tremendously from being the default. Combine that with Apple's mobile market share in the US and you get the present situation. My gripe isn't really that it won in the US. Its that you need Apple hardware to participate. Google may be self interested but they're right about one thing: knowingly allowing and fueling this social dynamic is inconsistent with Apple's brand. But it was never really about values, just making consumers feel good about their purchases.

willis936 5y ago
I also described signal and a dozen other competitors. None of those apps are made by Google. Google ships Android. I don't think my point should have been missed.
nomel 5y ago
> What you're describing is WhatsApp. Can WhatsApp do sms/mms now?
- lotsofpulp 5y ago
  iMessage cannot do SMS/MMS either. Their point is Google should have stuffed their iMessage equivalent (such as Hangouts) inside of a generic texting app that also handled SMS/MMS by default, and then enabled all the same features that Apple did and released it for iOS.
  - fundad 5y ago
    Exactly it's the iOS app called "Messages" that is too powerful for Google's liking. Google uses an article about iMessage as a social network to make it seem like they are the victims for not out-competing the "Messages" app. It's been said here already that gchat had the features that could be been integrated into Android's SMS app, add end-to-end encryption and they would have crushed the iPhone.
  - nomel 5y ago
    > iMessage cannot do SMS/MMS either. From a user perspective, the Messages app can. I want SMS/MMS seamlessly integrated (like when my cellular data connection dies, the bubbles go green), like the Messages app does. If WhatsApp cannot, then it's definitely missing a huge piece of usability.

willis936 5y ago

I also described signal and a dozen other competitors. None of those apps are made by Google. Google ships Android. I don't think my point should have been missed.

nomel 5y ago

> What you're describing is WhatsApp. Can WhatsApp do sms/mms now?

lotsofpulp 5y ago
iMessage cannot do SMS/MMS either. Their point is Google should have stuffed their iMessage equivalent (such as Hangouts) inside of a generic texting app that also handled SMS/MMS by default, and then enabled all the same features that Apple did and released it for iOS.
- fundad 5y ago
  Exactly it's the iOS app called "Messages" that is too powerful for Google's liking. Google uses an article about iMessage as a social network to make it seem like they are the victims for not out-competing the "Messages" app. It's been said here already that gchat had the features that could be been integrated into Android's SMS app, add end-to-end encryption and they would have crushed the iPhone.
- nomel 5y ago
  > iMessage cannot do SMS/MMS either. From a user perspective, the Messages app can. I want SMS/MMS seamlessly integrated (like when my cellular data connection dies, the bubbles go green), like the Messages app does. If WhatsApp cannot, then it's definitely missing a huge piece of usability.