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> So is the position of Intel that slave labour in concentration camps is an acceptable means of production? Maybe their position is that they have not establi
by em500 5y ago
> So is the position of Intel that slave labour in concentration camps is an acceptable means of production?
Maybe their position is that they have not established as a fact that there is slave labour in concentration camps in Xinjiang? Have you considered that as an alternative possibility?
From the article:
> The letter now reads that the company prohibits "any human trafficked or involuntary labour such as forced, debt bonded, prison, indentured, or slave labour throughout your extended supply chains."
That automatically covers Xinjiang is there is slave labour there, in additional to all other instances of slave labour, no? That sounds like a better wording than the original.
- loceng 5y agoI can believe the Earth is flat if I avoid the evidence and don't care about congruence - especially if financially motivated.
- melonbar 5y agoI could not agree with you more, it amazes me the mental gymnastics some will go through in the quest to convince themselves otherwise of something wholly obvious. Sure, you could take the CCP’s word for it (because their behavior is not at all suspicious and they have a great track record when it comes to human rights). And sure, to some that might hold a lot of weight. However, even if rumored, don’t you want to be the one that doesn’t support genocide regardless?
- loceng 5y agoThe even bigger tell is when the UN wanted to go into China to independently investigate, the CCP denied access. They don't want to be a team player in the global society/economy.
- network2592 5y agoEngaging in epistemic and semantic hair splitting does not alter the reality of slave concentration camps or make it any less worse. Here is a recent article [0] on rape and forced sterilization of Uyghur women. [0] https://nypost.com/2021/12/18/uyghur-women-recall-horrors-of-chinas-labor-camps/ https://nypost.com/2021/12/18/uyghur-women-recall-horrors-of...
- trasz 5y agoHere's an article on the same thing happening in the US: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prison_rape_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prison_rape_in_the_United_Stat....
- network2592 5y ago
- dang 5y agoYou've been breaking the HN guidelines egregiously with this sort of post. We ban accounts that do that. Please see these other explanations I just posted, and please don't do any more of this, regardless of how wrong others are or you feel they are. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29916918 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29916918 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29916858 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29916858
- chasd00 5y agofrom the NYPost article "The year after she was arrested off the street, still in China, she was summoned to a police station and told that she needed to complete her training. " if it's the same as prison rape in the US then what prison is she in? Further, prison rape is a crime. "Her story is, tragically, not uncommon for members of the minority Uyghur religion, with Turkish roots, in President XI Jinping’s China. Since around 2016, they have been pulled off the street and sent to reeducation camps — where reports have surfaced about people being tortured, raped and even killed. They are sent there under the auspices of learning a trade and having their patriotism reinforced." your attempt at equating this with the crime of prison rape in the US is reprehensible.
- zwaps 5y agoInterestingly enough, if something is bad in the US, it can also be bad elsewhere. Even worse though, there are indications that this behavior is institutionally supported and desired in China. After all, if the local governors make rules to force non-Uyghur men to sleep in the bed of Uyghur women (even married ones) and offer forced sterilization otherwise, perhaps - just perhaps - you are peddling a false equivalence. By the way, the latter meets the definition of genocide. In case you care.
- javajosh 5y agoIntel has no motive to falsely allege forced labor use in China. In fact, Intel has every motive to ignore abuses so as not to alienate the CCP. So, your implication that Intel jumped the gun and made false accusations without proof lacks motive, at the very least.
- em500 5y agoThe motivation was likely some compliance move with the Uyghur Forced Labor Prevention Act according to the TFA. There is no indication that Intel's initial wording was prompted by their own investigations in Xinjiang.
- javajosh 5y agoClearly they believe (as do you) that specific mention of Xinjiang was not required for compliance. Is the theory that Intel intentionally added the word to make some moral or at least political point, at China's expense? I guess I don't buy that, because one of the upsides of being a ruthless corporation out only for profit is that you don't do things that risk profit.
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