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I agree, but when you say last remaining, were there ever any other contenders in the “mostly independent, maintained and reasonably popular” category? Konquer

by jl6 5y ago

I agree, but when you say last remaining, were there ever any other contenders in the “mostly independent, maintained and reasonably popular” category? Konqueror (ancestor of WebKit) is the closest I can think of.

jfk13 5y ago
There was Opera, before it moved to the Blink world. Whether it was popular enough to count, I don't know.
chriswarbo 5y ago
Perhaps Opera, before it became another Chrome wrapper? I still have a soft spot for Netsurf, Dillo, w3m and Lynx :)
- PenguinCoder 5y ago
  I loved what Opera was. It used to be my main browser, before Firefox. These days though, Firefox wins for various reasons and not being a blink rebrand.
- seanw444 5y ago
  I still hope for Gemini to get bigger. At least in the hacker community, so I can stop having to visit the web often.
  - jug 5y ago
    Yes, I think it's interesting! Preemptively tackling two common criticisms: "We already have HTML". Yes, but with Gemini, you know the entire "Geminispace" is going to be like that. It's nice for the state of mind! It also ensures sites on the network won't track you, as the wealth of HTTP headers can kindly assist with. "We already have Gopher". Yes, but Gemini comes with some very useful, almost essential, additions for broader adoption like mandated TLS encryption and things that should have been solved decades ago like defining character encodings, use of MIME types to define binaries, and well supported links to non-Gopher protocols.
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ognarb 5y ago
Konqueror now use QtWebEngine by default but iirc correctly can still be used with QtWebKit and KHtml/Kjs. But the both are deprecated and will be dead in Qt6/KDE Framework 6. It's just not sustainable for a small open source community to build an open source browser engine.
- mnutt 5y ago
  QtWebKit is independently maintained now and intends to support Qt6 in the future.

by jl6 5y ago

jfk13 5y ago

There was Opera, before it moved to the Blink world. Whether it was popular enough to count, I don't know.

chriswarbo 5y ago

Perhaps Opera, before it became another Chrome wrapper? I still have a soft spot for Netsurf, Dillo, w3m and Lynx :)

PenguinCoder 5y ago
I loved what Opera was. It used to be my main browser, before Firefox. These days though, Firefox wins for various reasons and not being a blink rebrand.
seanw444 5y ago
I still hope for Gemini to get bigger. At least in the hacker community, so I can stop having to visit the web often.
- jug 5y ago
  Yes, I think it's interesting! Preemptively tackling two common criticisms: "We already have HTML". Yes, but with Gemini, you know the entire "Geminispace" is going to be like that. It's nice for the state of mind! It also ensures sites on the network won't track you, as the wealth of HTTP headers can kindly assist with. "We already have Gopher". Yes, but Gemini comes with some very useful, almost essential, additions for broader adoption like mandated TLS encryption and things that should have been solved decades ago like defining character encodings, use of MIME types to define binaries, and well supported links to non-Gopher protocols.

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ognarb 5y ago

Konqueror now use QtWebEngine by default but iirc correctly can still be used with QtWebKit and KHtml/Kjs. But the both are deprecated and will be dead in Qt6/KDE Framework 6. It's just not sustainable for a small open source community to build an open source browser engine.

mnutt 5y ago
QtWebKit is independently maintained now and intends to support Qt6 in the future.