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As a complete outsider, what I don't understand is why there's so much NIMBYism in CA and such strong (and laudable) support for easy immigration. If not for im

As a complete outsider, what I don't understand is why there's so much NIMBYism in CA and such strong (and laudable) support for easy immigration. If not for immigration the US population growth would have slowed to a crawl and there would be much less pressure. I guess housing prices wouldn't rise as quickly, but I doubt that's a big part of the motivation.

ZeroGravitas 5y ago
They're not for "easy" immigration, they're just against racism. It's not cool to be racist, so you have to pretend you're just "hard" on immigration, and that people who aren't racist are soft on it. It makes it confusing to have a conversation about it, when one side can't admit what they actually want.
- mattcwilson 5y ago
  Have you heard the term “xenophilic restrictionist?”
  - ZeroGravitas 5y ago
    Nope, but the fact the people who are actually "hard on immigration" had to come up with a new name to distance themselves from the people who are just racist supports my point. Though, since this is not my first rodeo, I'd suggest at least some portion of those claiming to be “xenophilic restrictionists" will reveal that they are xenophobic, and don't care about restricting the "right kind" of immigration. As I said, it's not cool to be racist, which confuses matters.
benkkey 5y ago
Yes, that makes sense at all. One of the problems in the US is the real estate prices.
MiddleEndian 5y ago
As far as I can tell, almost every city in the US is afflicted with NIMBYs. I'll give a relatively mundane example in Boston, not even about development. A couple years ago, a taco shop under Emerson College wanted to stay open until 2AM. An organized group of busybodies showed up to the meeting to stop it, claiming it would bother the college students (yes, their claim was that a taco shop open until 2AM would bother college students). The city listened and told the shop it has to close by midnight.[0] Now, it's pretty obvious to me that the majority of people closest to the taco shop would be fine with it being open. I live a 5-10 minute walk from that location and would love it to be open later as well, but I didn't hear about this meeting until the results were already in. These meetings aren't listed anywhere in bulk online, the people in charge seem to be inclined to listen to whoever wants to stop stuff, and the people who want to stop stuff seem to have organized and made it a full-time hobby to attend these meetings. So a lot of NIMBY sentiment is simply organization rather than a true majority sentiment. 0. https://www.universalhub.com/2020/city-always-sleeps-think-children-downtown https://www.universalhub.com/2020/city-always-sleeps-think-c...

ZeroGravitas 5y ago

They're not for "easy" immigration, they're just against racism. It's not cool to be racist, so you have to pretend you're just "hard" on immigration, and that people who aren't racist are soft on it. It makes it confusing to have a conversation about it, when one side can't admit what they actually want.

mattcwilson 5y ago
Have you heard the term “xenophilic restrictionist?”
- ZeroGravitas 5y ago
  Nope, but the fact the people who are actually "hard on immigration" had to come up with a new name to distance themselves from the people who are just racist supports my point. Though, since this is not my first rodeo, I'd suggest at least some portion of those claiming to be “xenophilic restrictionists" will reveal that they are xenophobic, and don't care about restricting the "right kind" of immigration. As I said, it's not cool to be racist, which confuses matters.

benkkey 5y ago

Yes, that makes sense at all. One of the problems in the US is the real estate prices.

MiddleEndian 5y ago

As far as I can tell, almost every city in the US is afflicted with NIMBYs. I'll give a relatively mundane example in Boston, not even about development. A couple years ago, a taco shop under Emerson College wanted to stay open until 2AM. An organized group of busybodies showed up to the meeting to stop it, claiming it would bother the college students (yes, their claim was that a taco shop open until 2AM would bother college students). The city listened and told the shop it has to close by midnight.[0] Now, it's pretty obvious to me that the majority of people closest to the taco shop would be fine with it being open. I live a 5-10 minute walk from that location and would love it to be open later as well, but I didn't hear about this meeting until the results were already in. These meetings aren't listed anywhere in bulk online, the people in charge seem to be inclined to listen to whoever wants to stop stuff, and the people who want to stop stuff seem to have organized and made it a full-time hobby to attend these meetings. So a lot of NIMBY sentiment is simply organization rather than a true majority sentiment. 0. https://www.universalhub.com/2020/city-always-sleeps-think-children-downtown https://www.universalhub.com/2020/city-always-sleeps-think-c...