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I'm used to seeing a lot of misinformation related to Germany and nuclear power, so here are some facts in advance: 1) coal use went way down since they decide

I'm used to seeing a lot of misinformation related to Germany and nuclear power, so here are some facts in advance: 1) coal use went way down since they decided to switch off the nuclear plants. people assume it was replaced by coal, but this is false 2) emissions are down 3) phase out of coal was started last year and is on schedule to last until 2038 4) renewable use is way way up 5) they are one of the largest exporters of electricity in Europe There is no doubt that the next decade represents uncharted territory, but thus far they really moved the needle. Can it be done this way is a reasonable question, as are doubts. But an automatic dismissal is irrational in light of the evidence. Especially compared to e.g. the US which hasn't budged from 60% fossil fuels for electricity in the last decade.

ekianjo 5y ago
> they are one of the largest exporters of electricity in Europe any source for that claim?
- locallost 5y ago
  https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/153533/umfrage/stromimportsaldo-von-deutschland-seit-1990/ https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/153533/umfrag...
  - ekianjo 5y ago
    What do these negative values mean?
    - locallost 5y ago
      That they exported more than they imported. All countries (or I guess at least) both import and export electricity depending on their needs. In the end the total says if you imported more or exported more.
fsflover 5y ago
> 1) coal use went way down since they decided to switch off the nuclear plants. people assume it was replaced by coal, but this is false How is this relevant? There is still a lot of coal used and it could be much less if the nuclear was in use. > 3) phase out of coal was started last year and is on schedule to last until 2038 It's definitely too late for the climate.
- locallost 5y ago
  It's relevant because people are assuming otherwise and are stunned that someone would do such a thing that in reality exists only in their imagination. See current top comment: It's absolutely insane they want to shut down Nuclear and replace it with fossil fueled plants False. Simply false.
  - fsflover 5y ago
    To me it's equivalent. The removed nuclear energy is replaced with coal. It doesn't matter even if overall it's decreasing. It could decrease much more. Actually, it's not even decreasing: https://www.dw.com/en/coal-and-fossil-fuel-share-of-german-electricity-rises-in-3q/a-60114010 https://www.dw.com/en/coal-and-fossil-fuel-share-of-german-e...
    - locallost 5y ago
      No, coal as a percentage of their electricity production went down from 45% to 25% in 10 years. They removed nuclear and coal and replaced both with renewables (coal is the bottom two). Data: https://www.umweltbundesamt.de/sites/default/files/styles/800w400h/public/medien/384/bilder/3_abb_bruttostromerzeugung-et_2021-05-10.png?itok=ePAY3Zf4 https://www.umweltbundesamt.de/sites/default/files/styles/80...
      - fsflover 5y ago
        > coal as a percentage of their electricity production went down from 45% to 25% in 10 years. Couldn't it go to 5% by using nuclear?

ekianjo 5y ago

> they are one of the largest exporters of electricity in Europe any source for that claim?

locallost 5y ago
https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/153533/umfrage/stromimportsaldo-von-deutschland-seit-1990/ https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/153533/umfrag...
- ekianjo 5y ago
  What do these negative values mean?
  - locallost 5y ago
    That they exported more than they imported. All countries (or I guess at least) both import and export electricity depending on their needs. In the end the total says if you imported more or exported more.

fsflover 5y ago

> 1) coal use went way down since they decided to switch off the nuclear plants. people assume it was replaced by coal, but this is false How is this relevant? There is still a lot of coal used and it could be much less if the nuclear was in use. > 3) phase out of coal was started last year and is on schedule to last until 2038 It's definitely too late for the climate.

locallost 5y ago
It's relevant because people are assuming otherwise and are stunned that someone would do such a thing that in reality exists only in their imagination. See current top comment: It's absolutely insane they want to shut down Nuclear and replace it with fossil fueled plants False. Simply false.
- fsflover 5y ago
  To me it's equivalent. The removed nuclear energy is replaced with coal. It doesn't matter even if overall it's decreasing. It could decrease much more. Actually, it's not even decreasing: https://www.dw.com/en/coal-and-fossil-fuel-share-of-german-electricity-rises-in-3q/a-60114010 https://www.dw.com/en/coal-and-fossil-fuel-share-of-german-e...
  - locallost 5y ago
    No, coal as a percentage of their electricity production went down from 45% to 25% in 10 years. They removed nuclear and coal and replaced both with renewables (coal is the bottom two). Data: https://www.umweltbundesamt.de/sites/default/files/styles/800w400h/public/medien/384/bilder/3_abb_bruttostromerzeugung-et_2021-05-10.png?itok=ePAY3Zf4 https://www.umweltbundesamt.de/sites/default/files/styles/80...
    - fsflover 5y ago
      > coal as a percentage of their electricity production went down from 45% to 25% in 10 years. Couldn't it go to 5% by using nuclear?