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How do you think a life of a pig would end if it wasn't being slaughtered? Most likely it would be half-eaten alive by a predator and the rest left to rot or be
by cheese_goddess 5y ago
How do you think a life of a pig would end if it wasn't being slaughtered? Most likely it would be half-eaten alive by a predator and the rest left to rot or be taken by scavengers. The same thing will happen now (the expired pieces of meat will mostly become food for insect larvae) except it's a human doing the slaughtering and the animal is killed before being eaten.
- nsonha 5y agothe life of such pig would not even begin, which is a good thing, if wasn't for human to have so much meat on display that it gets expired.
- cheese_goddess 5y agoSorry, I didn't understand what you mean. Can you type more carefully? English is not my first language and I can't guess what you're trying to say.
- snovv_crash 5y agoWishing you had never been born is one thing, wishing someone/something else had never been born is not a response of empathy but rather personal guilt.
- nsonha 5y agoThis is not even a question, being born into a life of slavery and ultimately being slaughtered is worse than not being born. Think about it, you are born into a prison and given no chance to even develop a proper consciousness. This is very different than a fully aware human getting locked up in a prison.
- suifbwish 5y agoHowever since the individual being born is not making the choice, it falls to the individual or group benefitting from the individual being born into the circumstance you described. Universal morality is a form of anthropomorphization, or projecting human characteristics onto an amoral natural world.
- nsonha 5y agoThis is like the pro life argument. I love it when people are so argumentative about such a simple thing. We are talking about birth control, there is no individual exists to make any choice. > Projecting human characteristics onto an amoral natural world. this is not a bad thing comparing to the alternative which is assuming that animals are too dumb to be sympathize with
- kbelder 5y agoI don't know that all slaves would agree with you.
- nsonha 5y agoI made that last sentence just to preemptively respond to your argument. Also live stock is much worse than slavery
- suifbwish 5y agoEmpathy does not result in anyone trying to end suffering of another being but the own personal suffering they have through the empathetic connection, and thus they seek to end the suffering of others only because it causes them to suffer.
- nsonha 5y agoalso they said it as if the validity of our ideas is determined from our motivation, guilt is bad, empathy is good
- pharke 5y agoThis line of argument also supports the extermination of all living beings because it prevents all future suffering. Think about that before you use it.
- nsonha 5y agoNo, because I never claimed that preventing suffering is the only goal. Just add one more goal which is potentially experiencing pleasure then you can justify most lives, well except that of those pigs
- pharke 5y agoIn which case it becomes an optimization problem where you have to find the optimal number of living beings to exterminate in order to provide the maximal amount of pleasure for those remaining. Not any better.
- nsonha 5y ago> find the optimal number of living beings to exterminate you are conflating birth control with "exterminate", not the same thing. Birth control has its roles, does it not? > in order to provide the maximal amount of pleasure for those remaining. I never said that, pleasure is an example, society is optimized for way more variables that suffering and pleasure. In the context of farm animals, it looks like the only purpose for the pigs to exist is to be food, then when the food is over-produced and wasted, then you have to question why have that many of them born into a miserable life then die pointlessly. > Not any better just say it like that, no explanation? What is not good? Optimization?
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- nvegater 5y agoI see it a bit different. Using your own sentence structure: "The line of argument supports the prevention of the existence of an undefined number of living beings to max. the quality of life of other existing living beings." The argument doesn't seem to me as simple as you are portraying it and I don't see where you got the extermination part from.