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You are designed to survive. If that survival involves harming people than that is what will occur. You are also designed to fuck a woman and make her pregnant

You are designed to survive. If that survival involves harming people than that is what will occur. You are also designed to fuck a woman and make her pregnant and many men will fulfill this goal at any cost. Hence why rape exists.

bayesian_horse 5y ago
None of that is true. There are stories over stories of Humans refusing to do harm to other Humans even if it means their death. Conditioning Humans to kill other Humans often involves dehumanizing the enemy in order to circumvent that built-in safety measure. Not everybody can just defuse that switch when he needs to. You are ASSuming I am male and heterosexual. You are assuming homosexuality has somehow not evolved naturally or does not play a part in the natural repertoire of Human social structure (spoiler alert: it does, even in terms of procreation). You do not understand sexual desire, which is not about reproduction, even though reproduction can be a side effect (and usually isn't, even without contraception). You do not understand rape and sexual assault which often is not about sex or sexual pleasure.
- deltaonefour 5y ago
  >None of that is true. There are stories over stories of Humans refusing to do harm to other Humans even if it means their death. These people won't exist given enough time and selection pressure. It's the only logical outcome. Additionally given the nature of natural selection it can be said many many of these people don't exist at all. The majority of the world will not do this unless it has some evolutionary benefit. And that benefit only exists among our genetic progeny. Parents will sacrifice themselves for their kids because of the evolutionary benefit. >You are ASSuming I am male and heterosexual. You are assuming homosexuality has somehow not evolved naturally or does not play a part in the natural repertoire of Human social structure (spoiler alert: it does, even in terms of procreation). You're the ASS here. You can make an argument without throwing an insult. First off I made no assumption about you personally. I also never stated anything about homosexuality. You know what I am? I'm black, I'm trans and lesbian. You're assuming that I'm white, male and straight out of nowhere. Oh how the woke world will destroy you for making such baseless assumptions. Man who cares. >You are assuming homosexuality has somehow not evolved naturally or does not play a part in the natural repertoire of Human social structure I never said I assumed such a thing. I made no statement about this. You made the statement that it DOES play a natural part. I've heard of these arguments. What evidence do you have to support this? I am not talking about logical arguments that illustrate the possibility that homosexuality is an evolved trait. But empirical statistical evidence that show unmistakably that it is an evolved trait. The arguments I hear as it stands sounds a bit convoluted and only shows that homosexuality being an evolved trait is only a theoretical possibility. >You do not understand sexual desire, which is not about reproduction, even though reproduction can be a side effect Ok this is just BS. When did I say sexual desire is only about reproduction? We're done here.
saagarjha 5y ago
Rape exists independently of the desire to make women pregnant. Quite frankly, bringing it up here as something that humans were “designed” to do and then arguing that we repress ourselves in various ways by not perpetuating rape (or being vegetarian) does not really help your point.
- bayesian_horse 5y ago
  That would not be a counter argument, as OP seems to labor on the simplified assumption that sexual desire has evolved to ensure procreation, and then it doesn't really matter if you intend to father offspring or just to fulfill that desire. But it's not that easy, because sexual desire in Humans (and many animal species) is way more complicated than ensuring conception. And more importantly, rape is more complicated than sexual desire. It often isn't about the sex. And I agree that the referring to biological urges when talking about rape is somehow releasing the perpetrator of some of the guilt. It is always also a lack of judgement, empathy, self control and so on. Nothing except very rare brain disorders can make someone a rapist unless he chooses to be.

bayesian_horse 5y ago

None of that is true. There are stories over stories of Humans refusing to do harm to other Humans even if it means their death. Conditioning Humans to kill other Humans often involves dehumanizing the enemy in order to circumvent that built-in safety measure. Not everybody can just defuse that switch when he needs to. You are ASSuming I am male and heterosexual. You are assuming homosexuality has somehow not evolved naturally or does not play a part in the natural repertoire of Human social structure (spoiler alert: it does, even in terms of procreation). You do not understand sexual desire, which is not about reproduction, even though reproduction can be a side effect (and usually isn't, even without contraception). You do not understand rape and sexual assault which often is not about sex or sexual pleasure.

deltaonefour 5y ago
>None of that is true. There are stories over stories of Humans refusing to do harm to other Humans even if it means their death. These people won't exist given enough time and selection pressure. It's the only logical outcome. Additionally given the nature of natural selection it can be said many many of these people don't exist at all. The majority of the world will not do this unless it has some evolutionary benefit. And that benefit only exists among our genetic progeny. Parents will sacrifice themselves for their kids because of the evolutionary benefit. >You are ASSuming I am male and heterosexual. You are assuming homosexuality has somehow not evolved naturally or does not play a part in the natural repertoire of Human social structure (spoiler alert: it does, even in terms of procreation). You're the ASS here. You can make an argument without throwing an insult. First off I made no assumption about you personally. I also never stated anything about homosexuality. You know what I am? I'm black, I'm trans and lesbian. You're assuming that I'm white, male and straight out of nowhere. Oh how the woke world will destroy you for making such baseless assumptions. Man who cares. >You are assuming homosexuality has somehow not evolved naturally or does not play a part in the natural repertoire of Human social structure I never said I assumed such a thing. I made no statement about this. You made the statement that it DOES play a natural part. I've heard of these arguments. What evidence do you have to support this? I am not talking about logical arguments that illustrate the possibility that homosexuality is an evolved trait. But empirical statistical evidence that show unmistakably that it is an evolved trait. The arguments I hear as it stands sounds a bit convoluted and only shows that homosexuality being an evolved trait is only a theoretical possibility. >You do not understand sexual desire, which is not about reproduction, even though reproduction can be a side effect Ok this is just BS. When did I say sexual desire is only about reproduction? We're done here.

saagarjha 5y ago

Rape exists independently of the desire to make women pregnant. Quite frankly, bringing it up here as something that humans were “designed” to do and then arguing that we repress ourselves in various ways by not perpetuating rape (or being vegetarian) does not really help your point.

bayesian_horse 5y ago
That would not be a counter argument, as OP seems to labor on the simplified assumption that sexual desire has evolved to ensure procreation, and then it doesn't really matter if you intend to father offspring or just to fulfill that desire. But it's not that easy, because sexual desire in Humans (and many animal species) is way more complicated than ensuring conception. And more importantly, rape is more complicated than sexual desire. It often isn't about the sex. And I agree that the referring to biological urges when talking about rape is somehow releasing the perpetrator of some of the guilt. It is always also a lack of judgement, empathy, self control and so on. Nothing except very rare brain disorders can make someone a rapist unless he chooses to be.