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What is it about the program you don't agree with, if you don't mind elaborating?

by throwawaylinux 5y ago

cphelps01 5y ago
Probably nothing but they hadn't typed 'cake eater' in a while...
gfykvfyxgc 5y ago
Maybe close cooperation with the deeply corrupt and unjust police makes you complicit in the outcomes.
- throwawaylinux 5y ago
  Maybe that is what they believe, but I'm specifically asking samschooler since they are in a unique position to comment on it.
- cydyyde7 5y ago
- Bud 5y ago
  Except in this particular case there appears to be a near-zero risk of anyone being "complicit" in bad police outcomes, given that it's opt-in, can only be used on a case-by-case basis, and it's the citizen who searches their own cam footage, voluntarily, and only in response to a specific police request about a specific case. So, while at first glance at a headline, this might seem problematic, after reading the details, I'd probably be willing to participate. This can't really be abused to create any George Floyd-type situations.
- vba616 5y ago
  Maybe. And maybe homeownership is crossing the Rubicon in that respect.
samschooler 5y ago
I don't agree with the close ties between private residential camera systems and the police. This program, allows police to ask for footage from any camera without a warrant. Granted, its voluntary, there need to be checks within the program that prevent police from mass requesting camera footage without a legitimate reason. And I don't want that check to be individual private citizens who, given the least amount of pressure will need to comply.
- Spooky23 5y ago
  Many police investigations center around video evidence as is it objective and easy to admit. Police build little databases of where cameras are located and will use them to build timelines, etc. I served in a jury where the police were able to identify a hit and run driver who killed a teenager by knitting together surveillance footage from a bunch of cameras and establishing what cars were in an area in a given 5-minute window.
- vba616 5y ago
  I think what is novel, is the proliferation of residential cameras. I don't think the police started requesting camera footage of crimes from private citizens recently. It's just that they turned to businesses with security cameras. I think realistically many people who own property cooperate with the police out of a definite sense of self-interest with no coercion required.

What is it about the program you don't agree with, if you don't mind elaborating?

cphelps01 5y ago

Probably nothing but they hadn't typed 'cake eater' in a while...

gfykvfyxgc 5y ago

Maybe close cooperation with the deeply corrupt and unjust police makes you complicit in the outcomes.

throwawaylinux 5y ago
Maybe that is what they believe, but I'm specifically asking samschooler since they are in a unique position to comment on it.
cydyyde7 5y ago
Bud 5y ago
Except in this particular case there appears to be a near-zero risk of anyone being "complicit" in bad police outcomes, given that it's opt-in, can only be used on a case-by-case basis, and it's the citizen who searches their own cam footage, voluntarily, and only in response to a specific police request about a specific case. So, while at first glance at a headline, this might seem problematic, after reading the details, I'd probably be willing to participate. This can't really be abused to create any George Floyd-type situations.
vba616 5y ago
Maybe. And maybe homeownership is crossing the Rubicon in that respect.

samschooler 5y ago

I don't agree with the close ties between private residential camera systems and the police. This program, allows police to ask for footage from any camera without a warrant. Granted, its voluntary, there need to be checks within the program that prevent police from mass requesting camera footage without a legitimate reason. And I don't want that check to be individual private citizens who, given the least amount of pressure will need to comply.

Spooky23 5y ago
Many police investigations center around video evidence as is it objective and easy to admit. Police build little databases of where cameras are located and will use them to build timelines, etc. I served in a jury where the police were able to identify a hit and run driver who killed a teenager by knitting together surveillance footage from a bunch of cameras and establishing what cars were in an area in a given 5-minute window.
vba616 5y ago
I think what is novel, is the proliferation of residential cameras. I don't think the police started requesting camera footage of crimes from private citizens recently. It's just that they turned to businesses with security cameras. I think realistically many people who own property cooperate with the police out of a definite sense of self-interest with no coercion required.