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Ugh, no thanks. You can keep your dinosaurs. I've been full EV for several years now, and I can't fathom going back. Also, winter is a non-issue. Take it from

Ugh, no thanks. You can keep your dinosaurs. I've been full EV for several years now, and I can't fathom going back. Also, winter is a non-issue. Take it from someone living where it gets quite cold. Time to put aside your toys and embrace the future :)

anaganisk 5y ago
No way are we going to have battery powered cars as a future. Its just shifting the problem from consumer side (ICE pollution) to(Battery) production side. Also many countries still use coal etc to produce power. Fuel cells are the true future.
- gaganyaan 5y ago
  I mean, you're wrong: EVs are everywhere. I can't even drive around town without seeing them everywhere. People have spoken, and they don't want fuel cells. They want EVs.
  - anaganisk 5y ago
    Where silicon valley ?which is obviously not equal to the humans of entire planet or you must be dreaming. I don’t even see EVs around me, rarely I spot them, Im from a developing country. AND People in the past have spoken the same about ICEs yet here we are. Just because its barely on a hype now doesn’t mean its clean and is the future, LOL. The batteries are just as dirty to build and inefficient in long term, they don’t even have half the density of ICEs fuels. Show me a heavy duty truck or machinery thats battery based that can match the ICEs. Edit: Just to be clear Im not even supporting ICEs, Im against the duct tape measures for a problem thats already causing lot of problems. It would rather be awesome if EVs are actually built on something clean from production to daily usage. In some countries the EVs even outweigh the benefits they provide since the power grid is old school. Also mining the current battery minerals is not clean in one bit.
    - gaganyaan 5y ago
      No, I'm based in a relatively minor midwestern US city. You might not see it yet, but developing countries will soon see the same EV wave as here. RE: dirty batteries. I'll take relatively minor environmental damage that can be confined to one spot any day of the week over literally spewing toxic fumes into everybody else's lungs and heating up the entire damn globe. That's a no-brainer. And the sooner we can move to nuclear + renewables to power everything, including battery construction, the better.
      - anaganisk 5y ago
        Logic is taking a huge hit, ever heard of air currents, what makes u think its confined to small spots? Ever heard of law of conservation of energy? The power required to generate EV doesn’t magically appear it requires equal amount of power generation plants. And right now its not clean and the switch will take decades. No EV wave is not gonna happen with a flick of a switch, battery minerals are still limited and their production is not easy either. Batteries need significant amount of change before they’re viable alternative. Else its just a duct tape measure before we find an alternative. And nuclear is already being banned in many countries, plus it has its own head aches. Renewables? I doubt how many countries are even considering it apart from a handful.
jjk166 5y ago
Hey man, you're the one burning more fossil fuels. I burn about 28 gallons of gasoline per year, which combined with my 18 kWh battery's production, amortized over its expected lifetime, and my car's engine's production amortized over the same period, means I release 1.09 metric tons of CO2 per year (we'll be conservative and assume we emit the same amount of CO2 due to electric driving, even though my car is going fewer miles with less weight, so that cancels out). Producing a 40 kWh battery, the smallest size in common use, again amortized over its lifetime, releases 1.52 metric tons of CO2 per year. Producing a 100 kWh battery, such as in the Tesla Model X, would emit about 3.80 metric tons of CO2 per year. Greener, cheaper, more convenient - plug in hybrids are the way to go.

anaganisk 5y ago

No way are we going to have battery powered cars as a future. Its just shifting the problem from consumer side (ICE pollution) to(Battery) production side. Also many countries still use coal etc to produce power. Fuel cells are the true future.

gaganyaan 5y ago
I mean, you're wrong: EVs are everywhere. I can't even drive around town without seeing them everywhere. People have spoken, and they don't want fuel cells. They want EVs.
- anaganisk 5y ago
  Where silicon valley ?which is obviously not equal to the humans of entire planet or you must be dreaming. I don’t even see EVs around me, rarely I spot them, Im from a developing country. AND People in the past have spoken the same about ICEs yet here we are. Just because its barely on a hype now doesn’t mean its clean and is the future, LOL. The batteries are just as dirty to build and inefficient in long term, they don’t even have half the density of ICEs fuels. Show me a heavy duty truck or machinery thats battery based that can match the ICEs. Edit: Just to be clear Im not even supporting ICEs, Im against the duct tape measures for a problem thats already causing lot of problems. It would rather be awesome if EVs are actually built on something clean from production to daily usage. In some countries the EVs even outweigh the benefits they provide since the power grid is old school. Also mining the current battery minerals is not clean in one bit.
  - gaganyaan 5y ago
    No, I'm based in a relatively minor midwestern US city. You might not see it yet, but developing countries will soon see the same EV wave as here. RE: dirty batteries. I'll take relatively minor environmental damage that can be confined to one spot any day of the week over literally spewing toxic fumes into everybody else's lungs and heating up the entire damn globe. That's a no-brainer. And the sooner we can move to nuclear + renewables to power everything, including battery construction, the better.
    - anaganisk 5y ago
      Logic is taking a huge hit, ever heard of air currents, what makes u think its confined to small spots? Ever heard of law of conservation of energy? The power required to generate EV doesn’t magically appear it requires equal amount of power generation plants. And right now its not clean and the switch will take decades. No EV wave is not gonna happen with a flick of a switch, battery minerals are still limited and their production is not easy either. Batteries need significant amount of change before they’re viable alternative. Else its just a duct tape measure before we find an alternative. And nuclear is already being banned in many countries, plus it has its own head aches. Renewables? I doubt how many countries are even considering it apart from a handful.

jjk166 5y ago

Hey man, you're the one burning more fossil fuels. I burn about 28 gallons of gasoline per year, which combined with my 18 kWh battery's production, amortized over its expected lifetime, and my car's engine's production amortized over the same period, means I release 1.09 metric tons of CO2 per year (we'll be conservative and assume we emit the same amount of CO2 due to electric driving, even though my car is going fewer miles with less weight, so that cancels out). Producing a 40 kWh battery, the smallest size in common use, again amortized over its lifetime, releases 1.52 metric tons of CO2 per year. Producing a 100 kWh battery, such as in the Tesla Model X, would emit about 3.80 metric tons of CO2 per year. Greener, cheaper, more convenient - plug in hybrids are the way to go.