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It was rumored that WB would have made another Matrix without Wachowski involvement if she had not agreed to it. Who knows how that would have turned out.

SV_BubbleTime 5y ago
Sure ok, but so what? What kind of person (allegedly) sinks a movie franchise out of spite? How about… Not do that and put effort into everything you do? IDK. Not sure I buy this and think it’s possible the Wachowskis that made the first movies are gone, and this was a good effort. ♬don’t let money change ya♬.
- oliyoung 5y ago
  > sinks a movie franchise out of spite? it's not spite. She didn't "sink" it because she was spiteful, she wanted to say something about the films and her work and chose to deconstruct the act of making a sequel to a trilogy after 20 years. It's their art, they can do what they want with it. Their work since Matrix has always been avant-guard (Cloud Atlas is barely a film in any normal sense, a Speed Racer film by anyone else isn't _that_) they were never coming back to make another stock science-fiction action film. The real question is, how did Warner green-light the script and release knowing that it was going say all those things.
  - titzer 5y ago
    It was really petty and I lost a lot of respect for her over this. She could have let WB fail on their own (proving what a masterstroke their first movie was), she could have outdone it (proving she's still a master), or she could have given a middling effort. All of which, IMHO, would have been better than intentionally sullying--frankly, ruining--the original piece. Frankly I hope I can just forget the fourth movie, because I don't want to watch the first movie knowing that Neo ends up a doddering old pilled-up nutter and Trinity's a cookie cutter soccer mom with barely a bike shop. (and of course, that's silly, because they didn't really end up that way, they were put into that way--at great expense--for why again? stupid plot. Stupid, stupid plot.)
  - minimaxir 5y ago
    > The real question is, how did Warner green-light the script and release knowing that it was going say all those things. Self depreciation is fine for WB. Half the jokes in the new Space Jam are meta self-depreciation. (not funny jokes, but jokes nonetheless)
    - shmoopi 5y ago
      The new Space Jam is hands down the worst picture I've ever seen.
- vegai_ 5y ago
  >What kind of person (allegedly) sinks a movie franchise out of spite? Is it spite to not want your baby to become another Marvel/Star Wars clusterjerk? Perhaps it is, but I think she's allowed that. I don't think the world needs more of those, but it will always need more art and critique.
nsonha 5y ago
Better than this one? It's a pretty low bar.

SV_BubbleTime 5y ago

Sure ok, but so what? What kind of person (allegedly) sinks a movie franchise out of spite? How about… Not do that and put effort into everything you do? IDK. Not sure I buy this and think it’s possible the Wachowskis that made the first movies are gone, and this was a good effort. ♬don’t let money change ya♬.

oliyoung 5y ago
> sinks a movie franchise out of spite? it's not spite. She didn't "sink" it because she was spiteful, she wanted to say something about the films and her work and chose to deconstruct the act of making a sequel to a trilogy after 20 years. It's their art, they can do what they want with it. Their work since Matrix has always been avant-guard (Cloud Atlas is barely a film in any normal sense, a Speed Racer film by anyone else isn't _that_) they were never coming back to make another stock science-fiction action film. The real question is, how did Warner green-light the script and release knowing that it was going say all those things.
- titzer 5y ago
  It was really petty and I lost a lot of respect for her over this. She could have let WB fail on their own (proving what a masterstroke their first movie was), she could have outdone it (proving she's still a master), or she could have given a middling effort. All of which, IMHO, would have been better than intentionally sullying--frankly, ruining--the original piece. Frankly I hope I can just forget the fourth movie, because I don't want to watch the first movie knowing that Neo ends up a doddering old pilled-up nutter and Trinity's a cookie cutter soccer mom with barely a bike shop. (and of course, that's silly, because they didn't really end up that way, they were put into that way--at great expense--for why again? stupid plot. Stupid, stupid plot.)
- minimaxir 5y ago
  > The real question is, how did Warner green-light the script and release knowing that it was going say all those things. Self depreciation is fine for WB. Half the jokes in the new Space Jam are meta self-depreciation. (not funny jokes, but jokes nonetheless)
  - shmoopi 5y ago
    The new Space Jam is hands down the worst picture I've ever seen.
vegai_ 5y ago
>What kind of person (allegedly) sinks a movie franchise out of spite? Is it spite to not want your baby to become another Marvel/Star Wars clusterjerk? Perhaps it is, but I think she's allowed that. I don't think the world needs more of those, but it will always need more art and critique.

nsonha 5y ago

Better than this one? It's a pretty low bar.