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I think the F-U might have been to the Redpill movement. For taking an allegory for Estrogen and turning into some misogynist hate movement. Or it could just b
by trissylegs 5y ago
I think the F-U might have been to the Redpill movement. For taking an allegory for Estrogen and turning into some misogynist hate movement.
Or it could just be these tweets: https://twitter.com/lilly_wachowski/status/1262104754496339968?lang=en https://twitter.com/lilly_wachowski/status/12621047544963399...
- jevoten 5y agoI've heard that the Wachowskis claimed that, but in what way is the Matrix's red pill similar to estrogen pills, or transexuality in general?
- ruined 5y agowhen it was originally written, the most common estrogen pill on the market was red. short answer: the matrix is gender. but it also represents any social construct pretty generically, and that's why there's so much confusion. long answer: duck duck go matrix transgender. also, like, when a creator tells you their work means a thing, just take them at their word. they would know. you can criticize how well or how poorly it conveys the meaning, or explore what subterfuge is concealed within, but questioning explicit intent is a bit silly.
- yucky 5y ago>when it was originally written, the most common estrogen pill on the market was red. As Don Quixote once said "El Oh El"
- ruined 5y agoi know, right. reactionaries will misread anything. literally bootstraps and bad apples.
- yucky 5y agoAre there some sources from the era that the movie was released that make that connection? Or is this just people trying to take back the meaning of the red pill from those scary republicans?
- aahortwwy 5y ago> also, like, when a creator tells you their work means a thing, just take them at their word. This is reductive. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reader-response_criticism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reader-response_criticism
- ruined 5y agoexplain
- aahortwwy 5y agoLiterary theorists have been debating the nature of meaning within texts for well over a century. The matter is not settled. You advocate a highly intentionalist interpretation of a work - the author says it means this, so that's what it means. 'jevoten and others in this thread advocate a more formalist interpretation - the meaning lies in what is written. I drew your attention to a more reader-focused perspective - that meaning comes from the reader's experience of the work, not the work or the author. To say "they would know" is to sidestep this entire discussion and suggest that there's some objectively correct way of interpreting a text and that correct way is intentionalism. This is reductive because it ignores the reality that many people (theorists and non-theorists) don't put a whole lot of stock in authorial intent.
- jevoten 5y ago> questioning explicit intent is a bit silly. I'm not questioning their intent, I'm questioning whether they successfully expressed that intent in the movie.
- pseudalopex 5y agoYou asked how the red pill was like estrogen pills. I don't think the Wachowskis said that part was intended though. Trans people noticed the parallels. I don't think they intended everyone would. They wanted to do more with it too. Switch's Matrix form was supposed to be male.
- jevoten 5y agoSo what are the parallels, besides trivial color matching?